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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 177205 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199105 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : isp |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 1600 |
| ASRS Report | 177205 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On a flight from smf to lax, we were cleared fim 6 (enclosed) STAR which predisposed me (captain) to expect north complex landing based on approach geometry. We were subsequently cleared to follow an air carrier large transport Y to runway 25R. The first officer was flying. The ILS did not match up to landing runway, then I remembered the commercial chart terminal page note 2. This set of instructions is unnecessarily complex and confusion. I suspect it was written by lawyers rather than controllers/pilots. A decidedly poor operation in my opinion.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR FLT CREW ATTEMPTS WRONG RWY VISUAL APCH AT LAX.
Narrative: ON A FLT FROM SMF TO LAX, WE WERE CLRED FIM 6 (ENCLOSED) STAR WHICH PREDISPOSED ME (CAPT) TO EXPECT N COMPLEX LNDG BASED ON APCH GEOMETRY. WE WERE SUBSEQUENTLY CLRED TO FOLLOW AN ACR LGT Y TO RWY 25R. THE F/O WAS FLYING. THE ILS DID NOT MATCH UP TO LNDG RWY, THEN I REMEMBERED THE COMMERCIAL CHART TERMINAL PAGE NOTE 2. THIS SET OF INSTRUCTIONS IS UNNECESSARILY COMPLEX AND CONFUSION. I SUSPECT IT WAS WRITTEN BY LAWYERS RATHER THAN CTLRS/PLTS. A DECIDEDLY POOR OPERATION IN MY OPINION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.