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Corporate captain reported that new york (N90) TRACON instructed the crew to maintain 250 knots below the shelf of new york class B airspace. The reporter stated N90 controllers consistently ask aircraft to maintain greater than 200 knots below the shelf.

Attributes
ACN	1728661
Time
Date	202002
Local Time Of Day	1201-1800
Place
Locale Reference	TEB.Airport
State Reference	NJ
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	Medium Transport
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	Descent
Route In Use	Vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Function	Captain Pilot Not Flying
Qualification	Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Instrument
Experience	Flight Crew Last 90 Days 130 Flight Crew Total 3700 Flight Crew Type 250
Events
Anomaly	ATC Issue All Types Airspace Violation All Types Deviation - Procedural FAR Deviation - Speed All Types

Narrative:

New york (N90) TRACON consistently asks for aircraft to maintain above 200 knots below the shelf of the new york class B. In this case we were asked to maintain 250 knots. I have also been asked to maintain 210 knots or greater below the class B. This creates a conflict between violating 14 crash fire rescue equipment 91.117 or telling ATC you are unable; which will most likely upset the controller; jam up the frequency; and create bigger issues.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: Corporate Captain reported that New York (N90) TRACON instructed the crew to maintain 250 knots below the shelf of New York Class B airspace. The reporter stated N90 controllers consistently ask aircraft to maintain greater than 200 knots below the shelf.

Narrative: New York (N90) TRACON consistently asks for aircraft to maintain above 200 knots below the shelf of the New York Class B. In this case we were asked to maintain 250 knots. I have also been asked to maintain 210 knots or greater below the Class B. This creates a conflict between violating 14 CFR 91.117 or telling ATC you are unable; which will most likely upset the controller; jam up the frequency; and create bigger issues.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.