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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 170353 | 
| Time | |
| Date | 199102 | 
| Day | Wed | 
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 | 
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : obf | 
| State Reference | VA | 
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 12400 msl bound upper : 12500  | 
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC | 
| Light | Daylight | 
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : orf | 
| Operator | other | 
| Make Model Name | Fighter | 
| Flight Phase | cruise other | 
| Route In Use | enroute : direct | 
| Flight Plan | VFR | 
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier | 
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng | 
| Flight Phase | descent other | 
| Route In Use | enroute : direct | 
| Flight Plan | IFR | 
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : military | 
| Function | flight crew : single pilot | 
| Qualification | pilot : military | 
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 2200 flight time type : 480  | 
| ASRS Report | 170353 | 
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier | 
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic  | 
| Qualification | pilot : atp | 
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac | 
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa | 
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action | 
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew | 
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 400 vertical : 100  | 
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance | 
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation | 
Narrative:
I was in fgt X. I had just cancelled my MOA operating clearance with washington center and advised them I would return to NAS oceana VFR. I dialed in norfolk approach frequency and looked out at my 1 O'clock position and saw the twin engine air carrier Y aircraft. There was constant bearing decreasing range. I rolled the aircraft and maneuvered my fgt as to avoid the other aircraft. The other aircraft was descending into norfolk airspace. I was level at 12500' VFR cruising altitude. I maneuvered cle of the other aircraft and landed uneventfully. Once on the ground I discussed the incident with norfolk approach. There was no problem with what had happened. 'Those things sometimes happen.' a good look out doctrine is very important through all phases of flight, ie, look out for the 'big sky small aircraft' rule. Supplemental information from acn 170347. While working a feeder radar position at orf ATCT and providing OJT to another controller we took an automated handoff on air carrier Y descending out of 120 for 90 on initial contact the pilot asked if we saw an aircraft in his area. At this time we observed a very faint target southeast of air carrier Y. We tracked this target for 20 mi until fgt X contacted us for service into ntu. Air carrier Y said a military aircraft was aimed straight for him and at the last min took evasive action and dove under him. Air carrier Y asked for assistance identing the aircraft. After switching air carrier Y to the next sector we asked fgt X if he saw air carrier Y. Fgt X said he was climbing out of the farmville MOA and apparently air carrier Y was shielded from his view by a cockpit mirror. No information was exchanged between pilots on frequency.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FGT X HAD NMAC WITH ACR Y. SEE AND AVOID CONCEPT.
Narrative: I WAS IN FGT X. I HAD JUST CANCELLED MY MOA OPERATING CLRNC WITH WASHINGTON CTR AND ADVISED THEM I WOULD RETURN TO NAS OCEANA VFR. I DIALED IN NORFOLK APCH FREQ AND LOOKED OUT AT MY 1 O'CLOCK POS AND SAW THE TWIN ENG ACR Y ACFT. THERE WAS CONSTANT BEARING DECREASING RANGE. I ROLLED THE ACFT AND MANEUVERED MY FGT AS TO AVOID THE OTHER ACFT. THE OTHER ACFT WAS DSNDING INTO NORFOLK AIRSPACE. I WAS LEVEL AT 12500' VFR CRUISING ALT. I MANEUVERED CLE OF THE OTHER ACFT AND LANDED UNEVENTFULLY. ONCE ON THE GND I DISCUSSED THE INCIDENT WITH NORFOLK APCH. THERE WAS NO PROB WITH WHAT HAD HAPPENED. 'THOSE THINGS SOMETIMES HAPPEN.' A GOOD LOOK OUT DOCTRINE IS VERY IMPORTANT THROUGH ALL PHASES OF FLT, IE, LOOK OUT FOR THE 'BIG SKY SMALL ACFT' RULE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 170347. WHILE WORKING A FEEDER RADAR POS AT ORF ATCT AND PROVIDING OJT TO ANOTHER CTLR WE TOOK AN AUTOMATED HDOF ON ACR Y DSNDING OUT OF 120 FOR 90 ON INITIAL CONTACT THE PLT ASKED IF WE SAW AN ACFT IN HIS AREA. AT THIS TIME WE OBSERVED A VERY FAINT TARGET SE OF ACR Y. WE TRACKED THIS TARGET FOR 20 MI UNTIL FGT X CONTACTED US FOR SVC INTO NTU. ACR Y SAID A MIL ACFT WAS AIMED STRAIGHT FOR HIM AND AT THE LAST MIN TOOK EVASIVE ACTION AND DOVE UNDER HIM. ACR Y ASKED FOR ASSISTANCE IDENTING THE ACFT. AFTER SWITCHING ACR Y TO THE NEXT SECTOR WE ASKED FGT X IF HE SAW ACR Y. FGT X SAID HE WAS CLBING OUT OF THE FARMVILLE MOA AND APPARENTLY ACR Y WAS SHIELDED FROM HIS VIEW BY A COCKPIT MIRROR. NO INFO WAS EXCHANGED BTWN PLTS ON FREQ.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.