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Air carrier captain reported being cleared to descend below jfk class bravo airspace at a speed above 200 KTS.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1701708 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201911 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | JFK.Airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Multiengine |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural FAR Deviation - Speed All Types |
Narrative:
We were just west/northwest of frg airport. We were at 250 KTS and 4;000 ft. ATC clears us from 4;000 ft to 3;000 ft . I'm the pilot monitoring so I'm on the radio. I'm looking at the class B chart on my ipad. I asked ATC; 'doesn't this put us under the class B airspace?' ATC responds; 'yes; but you'll re-enter in about 1 1/2 miles.' then he says; 'can you just descend to 3;000 ft please.' on this aircraft; I can't slow down from 250 KTS to 200 KTS and descend and the controller obviously needed us to descend now. We descended from 4;000 ft to 3;000 ft. I think the delay may have kept us in the class B; but I can't be sure. There was no traffic on TCAS or any TCAS alert. We could visually see that there was no traffic under us; approaching us. I accepted the clearance because; first; it seemed like he needed us at 3;000 and I assume; given his response; that he sees something that we cannot so it's safer to descend. I could use some guidance; am I in violation of the fars when a controller asks me to descend below the class B airspace over 200 KTS for a short period of time?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air carrier Captain reported being cleared to descend below JFK Class Bravo airspace at a speed above 200 KTS.
Narrative: We were just west/northwest of FRG airport. We were at 250 KTS and 4;000 FT. ATC clears us from 4;000 FT to 3;000 FT . I'm the Pilot Monitoring so I'm on the radio. I'm looking at the Class B chart on my iPad. I asked ATC; 'Doesn't this put us under the Class B airspace?' ATC responds; 'Yes; but you'll re-enter in about 1 1/2 miles.' Then he says; 'Can you just descend to 3;000 FT please.' On this aircraft; I can't slow down from 250 KTS to 200 KTS and descend and the Controller obviously needed us to descend now. We descended from 4;000 FT to 3;000 FT. I think the delay may have kept us in the Class B; but I can't be sure. There was no traffic on TCAS or any TCAS alert. We could visually see that there was no traffic under us; approaching us. I accepted the clearance because; first; it seemed like he needed us at 3;000 and I assume; given his response; that he sees something that we cannot so it's safer to descend. I could use some guidance; am I in violation of the FARs when a Controller asks me to descend below the Class B airspace over 200 KTS for a short period of time?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.