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Flight crew of medium large transport overshot assigned 8000' MSL.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 169996 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199102 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : orl airport : mco |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8300 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : mco artcc : zhu |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 45 |
| ASRS Report | 169996 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 25 |
| ASRS Report | 170559 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 1500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Orlando departure assigned us an initial heading of 020 degree and 5000' MSL after takeoff on runway 35 at mco. Being both new in oru respective positions, me with 45 hours as captain, and first officer on first assigned trip after initial operating experience, I made the takeoff and xferred control to the first officer after passing through 'cleanup altitude.' after passing 7000' we both called out 'leaving 7 for 8.' TCAS was working and at about 7700' TCAS announced 'traffic, traffic.' we both looked out and saw an large transport passing right to left above us but he didn't appear to be a threat. Also at this time orl departure issued a heading of 340 degree to intercept the mccoy one departure. I then noticed our altitude to be about 8300' and told the first officer to get back to 8000'. The TCAS alert was before we got to 8000' not after. The altitude deviation was result of looking for traffic called by TCAS and a simultaneous heading change rather than vice versa. Departure never made a comment to us about this. There was not, in my opinion, a near miss or conflict resolution on TCAS. The traffic was between 1000' and 2000' above and ahead of us. As a new captain I believe I'll stress to my partners that when hand flying (as was the case) one person should look for traffic, while the PF concentrates on the task at hand, flying the airplane.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF MLG OVERSHOT ASSIGNED 8000' MSL.
Narrative: ORLANDO DEP ASSIGNED US AN INITIAL HDG OF 020 DEG AND 5000' MSL AFTER TKOF ON RWY 35 AT MCO. BEING BOTH NEW IN ORU RESPECTIVE POSITIONS, ME WITH 45 HRS AS CAPT, AND F/O ON FIRST ASSIGNED TRIP AFTER INITIAL OPERATING EXPERIENCE, I MADE THE TKOF AND XFERRED CTL TO THE F/O AFTER PASSING THROUGH 'CLEANUP ALT.' AFTER PASSING 7000' WE BOTH CALLED OUT 'LEAVING 7 FOR 8.' TCAS WAS WORKING AND AT ABOUT 7700' TCAS ANNOUNCED 'TFC, TFC.' WE BOTH LOOKED OUT AND SAW AN LGT PASSING R TO L ABOVE US BUT HE DIDN'T APPEAR TO BE A THREAT. ALSO AT THIS TIME ORL DEP ISSUED A HDG OF 340 DEG TO INTERCEPT THE MCCOY ONE DEP. I THEN NOTICED OUR ALT TO BE ABOUT 8300' AND TOLD THE F/O TO GET BACK TO 8000'. THE TCAS ALERT WAS BEFORE WE GOT TO 8000' NOT AFTER. THE ALT DEVIATION WAS RESULT OF LOOKING FOR TFC CALLED BY TCAS AND A SIMULTANEOUS HDG CHANGE RATHER THAN VICE VERSA. DEP NEVER MADE A COMMENT TO US ABOUT THIS. THERE WAS NOT, IN MY OPINION, A NEAR MISS OR CONFLICT RESOLUTION ON TCAS. THE TFC WAS BTWN 1000' AND 2000' ABOVE AND AHEAD OF US. AS A NEW CAPT I BELIEVE I'LL STRESS TO MY PARTNERS THAT WHEN HAND FLYING (AS WAS THE CASE) ONE PERSON SHOULD LOOK FOR TFC, WHILE THE PF CONCENTRATES ON THE TASK AT HAND, FLYING THE AIRPLANE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.