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Flight crew reported air traffic control instructions may mislead unsuspecting flight crews to unsafe descent on approach.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1686415 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201909 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | RPLL.Airport |
| State Reference | FO |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Final Approach |
| Route In Use | Vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | First Officer |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 164 Flight Crew Total 2820 Flight Crew Type 1686 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
This [report] is informational due to a recurring issue with mnl radar control providing inappropriate radar vectors to final on ILS runway 24 into mnl. On this particular flight we were in IMC when ATC gave us a clearance to fly heading for intercept; descend to 3;500 ft until established; cleared for the ILS runway 24 approach while we were approximately 27 DME from ZZZZ at 7000 ft. We intercepted the localizer and tracked inbound at 7000 ft the MVA per 10-1R until 15 NM out. Glideslope capture occurred at 23 NM out on ILS (8 miles prior to next lower MVA of 3;500 ft.). Looking at ILS runway 24 the approach begins at zulu 10 DME ZZZZ. The issue here is ATC is giving pilots a clearance that puts unsuspecting pilots in a bad situation descending on the ILS from 7000 ft and 23 DME while established on the localizer but not on a published portion of the approach; leaving us unprotected from terrain clearance assurances according to the MSA; MVA; or published IAP procedures.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Flight crew reported Air Traffic Control instructions may mislead unsuspecting flight crews to unsafe descent on approach.
Narrative: This [report] is informational due to a recurring issue with MNL Radar Control providing inappropriate radar vectors to final on ILS Runway 24 into MNL. On this particular flight we were in IMC when ATC gave us a clearance to fly heading for intercept; descend to 3;500 ft until established; cleared for the ILS Runway 24 approach while we were approximately 27 DME from ZZZZ at 7000 ft. We intercepted the LOC and tracked inbound at 7000 ft the MVA per 10-1R until 15 NM out. Glideslope capture occurred at 23 NM out on ILS (8 miles prior to next lower MVA of 3;500 ft.). Looking at ILS Runway 24 the approach begins at ZULU 10 DME ZZZZ. The issue here is ATC is giving pilots a clearance that puts unsuspecting pilots in a bad situation descending on the ILS from 7000 ft and 23 DME while established on the LOC but not on a published portion of the approach; leaving us unprotected from terrain clearance assurances according to the MSA; MVA; or Published IAP procedures.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.