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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 161567 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199011 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : btl |
| State Reference | MI |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Fighter |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi landing other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Fighter |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : non radar |
| ASRS Report | 161567 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : developmental |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 5000 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
I am an fpl and was giving OJT on ground control and local control combined. We got extremely busy with varying performance characteristics aircraft. Because the trnee is almost checked out, I let him go as long as possible. My trnee put a flight of 2 fgt Y behind a single fgt X. Fgt X was still on the runway and I sent fgt Y around. Fgt Y/2, the second element, asked if he was cleared to land. I cleared him to land and said on the frequency, 'fgt X, no delay exiting, fgt on runway behind you.' it was a safe operation with the fgt X 5000' down the runway, but he hadn't cleared the runway yet. To have sent fgt Y/2 around would have created a real problem with the density of aircraft in the area. I should have taken the position away from the trnee sooner.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: OJT IN PROGRESS AND AN FGT WAS ALLOWED TO LAND WITH ANOTHER FGT STILL ON THE RWY. SYSTEM ERROR.
Narrative: I AM AN FPL AND WAS GIVING OJT ON GND CTL AND LCL CTL COMBINED. WE GOT EXTREMELY BUSY WITH VARYING PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS ACFT. BECAUSE THE TRNEE IS ALMOST CHKED OUT, I LET HIM GO AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. MY TRNEE PUT A FLT OF 2 FGT Y BEHIND A SINGLE FGT X. FGT X WAS STILL ON THE RWY AND I SENT FGT Y AROUND. FGT Y/2, THE SECOND ELEMENT, ASKED IF HE WAS CLRED TO LAND. I CLRED HIM TO LAND AND SAID ON THE FREQ, 'FGT X, NO DELAY EXITING, FGT ON RWY BEHIND YOU.' IT WAS A SAFE OPERATION WITH THE FGT X 5000' DOWN THE RWY, BUT HE HADN'T CLRED THE RWY YET. TO HAVE SENT FGT Y/2 AROUND WOULD HAVE CREATED A REAL PROB WITH THE DENSITY OF ACFT IN THE AREA. I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE POS AWAY FROM THE TRNEE SOONER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.