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Reporter protests sna departure noise abatement procedure as unsafe.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 161536 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199010 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sna |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 4000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : sna |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 161536 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Noise abatement procedures out of orange county (all aircraft). From rotating to 20 degree pitch to 4000' MSL using managed navigation in glass cockpit. In the busiest area in the country on departures out of sna because of the departure and noise procedures both PF and PNF do not have time to look out of the cockpit until the shoreline 4000' MSL. This is an accident waiting to happen. We had the quietest aircraft made going into sna. We (all airlines) should not use these noise abatement procedures because we al fly the newest/quietest airliners made into this airport. These noise procedures are unsafe as well as the short runway. Somehow we must make orange county decide whether they want a safe airport or no airport! I thought dca was bad--this is ridiculous.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: REPORTER PROTESTS SNA DEP NOISE ABATEMENT PROC AS UNSAFE.
Narrative: NOISE ABATEMENT PROCS OUT OF ORANGE COUNTY (ALL ACFT). FROM ROTATING TO 20 DEG PITCH TO 4000' MSL USING MANAGED NAV IN GLASS COCKPIT. IN THE BUSIEST AREA IN THE COUNTRY ON DEPS OUT OF SNA BECAUSE OF THE DEP AND NOISE PROCS BOTH PF AND PNF DO NOT HAVE TIME TO LOOK OUT OF THE COCKPIT UNTIL THE SHORELINE 4000' MSL. THIS IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. WE HAD THE QUIETEST ACFT MADE GOING INTO SNA. WE (ALL AIRLINES) SHOULD NOT USE THESE NOISE ABATEMENT PROCS BECAUSE WE AL FLY THE NEWEST/QUIETEST AIRLINERS MADE INTO THIS ARPT. THESE NOISE PROCS ARE UNSAFE AS WELL AS THE SHORT RWY. SOMEHOW WE MUST MAKE ORANGE COUNTY DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT A SAFE ARPT OR NO ARPT! I THOUGHT DCA WAS BAD--THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.