Air carrier widebody transport speed deviation on direct track to intercept STAR into lax.

Attributes
ACN	160395
Time
Date	199010
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : smo airport : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 14000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zla
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	cruise other descent other
Route In Use	arrival star : star enroute : direct
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5300 flight time type : 1100
ASRS Report	160395
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : clearance other anomaly
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

35 NM ZLA we were cleared to 14000' and to maintain 330 KTS, intercept smo 281 degree right direct sadde intersection. Then cleared to descend to 10000' sadde 4 arrival. Reaching 10000' we then began to reduce speed to 250 KTS to cross sadde intersection at 250 KTS as directed on STAR. The controller asked our speed in KTS. He was advised of 250 and then he said we were assigned 330 KTS. I told him he cleared our flight for the sadde 4 STAR arrival and he agreed. I told him that the STAR has a speed restriction of 250 KTS at sadde intersection. He said, 'that speed is not a hard speed.' we were then turned over to lax approach, cleared to 8000' heading 070 degrees after smo VOR vectors runway 25R. I asked the approach controller his interpretation of the speed restriction at sadde intersection. He said 250 KTS! We both agreed on this. He then said that the previous center controller said we had asked for 330 KTS over sadde. We proceeded west/O further event and landed at lax.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR WDB SPEED DEVIATION ON DIRECT TRACK TO INTERCEPT STAR INTO LAX.

Narrative: 35 NM ZLA WE WERE CLRED TO 14000' AND TO MAINTAIN 330 KTS, INTERCEPT SMO 281 DEG R DIRECT SADDE INTXN. THEN CLRED TO DSND TO 10000' SADDE 4 ARR. REACHING 10000' WE THEN BEGAN TO REDUCE SPD TO 250 KTS TO CROSS SADDE INTXN AT 250 KTS AS DIRECTED ON STAR. THE CTLR ASKED OUR SPD IN KTS. HE WAS ADVISED OF 250 AND THEN HE SAID WE WERE ASSIGNED 330 KTS. I TOLD HIM HE CLRED OUR FLT FOR THE SADDE 4 STAR ARR AND HE AGREED. I TOLD HIM THAT THE STAR HAS A SPD RESTRICTION OF 250 KTS AT SADDE INTXN. HE SAID, 'THAT SPD IS NOT A HARD SPD.' WE WERE THEN TURNED OVER TO LAX APCH, CLRED TO 8000' HDG 070 DEGS AFTER SMO VOR VECTORS RWY 25R. I ASKED THE APCH CTLR HIS INTERP OF THE SPD RESTRICTION AT SADDE INTXN. HE SAID 250 KTS! WE BOTH AGREED ON THIS. HE THEN SAID THAT THE PREVIOUS CENTER CTLR SAID WE HAD ASKED FOR 330 KTS OVER SADDE. WE PROCEEDED W/O FURTHER EVENT AND LANDED AT LAX.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.