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Hawker 4000 flight crew reported that while descending on a clearance including an altitude and speed; being instructed by the next controller to comply at gregs. The crew learned later that the controller only wanted the speed.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1471084 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201708 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | DAL.Airport |
| State Reference | US |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Hawker 4000 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Flight Phase | Descent |
| Route In Use | STAR JFRYE3 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Pilot Flying First Officer |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 90 Flight Crew Total 5500 Flight Crew Type 210 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 60 Flight Crew Total 6500 Flight Crew Type 1200 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Speed All Types |
Narrative:
While on descent to dal on the JFRYE3 arrival prior to gregs ATC cleared us to 14;000 feet. We asked ATC if he needed the speed of 250 knots at gregs and he said no and assigned 320 knots. We then switched frequencies and checked in with our speed assigned and ATC then said to comply at gregs. This is where the mix-up occurred as we descended to comply with published speed and altitude at gregs 250 knots and 10;000 feet. After talking to ATC on the phone the controller only wanted us to comply with the speed restriction not altitude. We assumed to comply with both speed and altitude as published. We should have asked for clarification and controller should have been more specific with the clearance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Hawker 4000 flight crew reported that while descending on a clearance including an altitude and speed; being instructed by the next Controller to comply at GREGS. The crew learned later that the Controller only wanted the speed.
Narrative: While on descent to DAL on the JFRYE3 arrival prior to GREGS ATC cleared us to 14;000 feet. We asked ATC if he needed the speed of 250 knots at GREGS and he said no and assigned 320 knots. We then switched frequencies and checked in with our speed assigned and ATC then said to comply at GREGS. This is where the mix-up occurred as we descended to comply with published speed and altitude at GREGS 250 knots and 10;000 feet. After talking to ATC on the phone the controller only wanted us to comply with the speed restriction not altitude. We assumed to comply with both speed and altitude as published. We should have asked for clarification and controller should have been more specific with the clearance.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.