2 maneuvering civilian fgts came close to another aircraft climbing to assigned altitude.

Attributes
ACN	146264
Time
Date	199005
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : ont
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 10000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : ont
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Fighter
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other descent other
Route In Use	enroute airway : ont
Flight Plan	None
Aircraft 2
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Medium Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	oversight : supervisor
Qualification	controller : radar
ASRS Report	146264
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : private
Events
Anomaly	airspace violation : exit conflict : nmac other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : insufficient time
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 100 vertical : 0
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

2 aviation fgt's were performing aerobatics above 8000' MSL. Traffic called by controller to mdt as 10000'. The fgt's descended rapidly at and around the mdt. Pilot reports 1 fgt came within 100'. This area is bounded on 2 sides by federal arwys and on third side by standard INS departure off ont. This is third incident involving fgt aircraft from FBO at chino airport, chino, ca in last week. In discussion with crew from sanders they say they are staying within 1 1/2 mi block that is outside of arsa and arwys. I believe that they cannot physically keep those aircraft with boundaries. They consistently spillout, they will not talk to ATC, they occasionally use xponders, although not normally. It also appears that fgt pilots are intentionally making 'gun runs' on aircraft flying in the area. The fed arwys: V16, V283, V64; prado SID from ont airport and INS skyes departure from march AFB, ca all infringe on the area the fgts insist on performing aerobatic/gun run maneuvers.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: 2 MANEUVERING CIVILIAN FGTS CAME CLOSE TO ANOTHER ACFT CLIMBING TO ASSIGNED ALT.

Narrative: 2 AVIATION FGT'S WERE PERFORMING AEROBATICS ABOVE 8000' MSL. TFC CALLED BY CTLR TO MDT AS 10000'. THE FGT'S DSNDED RAPIDLY AT AND AROUND THE MDT. PLT RPTS 1 FGT CAME WITHIN 100'. THIS AREA IS BOUNDED ON 2 SIDES BY FEDERAL ARWYS AND ON THIRD SIDE BY STANDARD INS DEP OFF ONT. THIS IS THIRD INCIDENT INVOLVING FGT ACFT FROM FBO AT CHINO ARPT, CHINO, CA IN LAST WK. IN DISCUSSION WITH CREW FROM SANDERS THEY SAY THEY ARE STAYING WITHIN 1 1/2 MI BLOCK THAT IS OUTSIDE OF ARSA AND ARWYS. I BELIEVE THAT THEY CANNOT PHYSICALLY KEEP THOSE ACFT WITH BOUNDARIES. THEY CONSISTENTLY SPILLOUT, THEY WILL NOT TALK TO ATC, THEY OCCASIONALLY USE XPONDERS, ALTHOUGH NOT NORMALLY. IT ALSO APPEARS THAT FGT PLTS ARE INTENTIONALLY MAKING 'GUN RUNS' ON ACFT FLYING IN THE AREA. THE FED ARWYS: V16, V283, V64; PRADO SID FROM ONT ARPT AND INS SKYES DEP FROM MARCH AFB, CA ALL INFRINGE ON THE AREA THE FGTS INSIST ON PERFORMING AEROBATIC/GUN RUN MANEUVERS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.