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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 145878 | 
| Time | |
| Date | 199005 | 
| Day | Sat | 
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 | 
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : mmj | 
| State Reference | PA | 
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 4500  | 
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC | 
| Light | Daylight | 
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : pit | 
| Operator | general aviation : personal | 
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear | 
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent other  | 
| Flight Plan | VFR | 
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other | 
| Function | flight crew : single pilot | 
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private  | 
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 30  | 
| ASRS Report | 145878 | 
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other | 
| Function | observation : passenger | 
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other  | 
| Independent Detector | other controllera | 
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact | 
| Consequence | Other | 
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance | 
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation | 
Narrative:
During the return flight on a classified assignment, but known as a practice search and rescue flight, my detroit sectional was destroyed by an observer crew member because of the moderate to severe turbulence. I was using only a commercial low altitude en route chart (which of course does not display the TCA controled airspace). I radioed pit departure control on 119.35 and requested clearance through the TCA. I was told I was already in it. I offered to turn back out and/or descend. The controller repeated miserably that I was was already in it. I estimated my range to agc was 20 NM. In reviewing with another detroit sectional, I feel that I was in the TCA, but barely. I know now that I should have used the soggy detroit sectional and in spite of being busy with the attendant problems of a sick crew member, called pit departure sooner.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT ON VFR FLT USING IFR LOW ENROUTE CHART PENETRATES THE PIT TCA.
Narrative: DURING THE RETURN FLT ON A CLASSIFIED ASSIGNMENT, BUT KNOWN AS A PRACTICE SEARCH AND RESCUE FLT, MY DETROIT SECTIONAL WAS DESTROYED BY AN OBSERVER CREW MEMBER BECAUSE OF THE MODERATE TO SEVERE TURB. I WAS USING ONLY A COMMERCIAL LOW ALT ENRTE CHART (WHICH OF COURSE DOES NOT DISPLAY THE TCA CTLED AIRSPACE). I RADIOED PIT DEP CTL ON 119.35 AND REQUESTED CLRNC THROUGH THE TCA. I WAS TOLD I WAS ALREADY IN IT. I OFFERED TO TURN BACK OUT AND/OR DSND. THE CTLR REPEATED MISERABLY THAT I WAS WAS ALREADY IN IT. I ESTIMATED MY RANGE TO AGC WAS 20 NM. IN REVIEWING WITH ANOTHER DETROIT SECTIONAL, I FEEL THAT I WAS IN THE TCA, BUT BARELY. I KNOW NOW THAT I SHOULD HAVE USED THE SOGGY DETROIT SECTIONAL AND IN SPITE OF BEING BUSY WITH THE ATTENDANT PROBS OF A SICK CREW MEMBER, CALLED PIT DEP SOONER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.