 |
37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Aircraft landed on runway with an aircraft holding short of the runway. The holding aircraft was inside of hold bar line near the runway edge which is not a safe operation.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 144531 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199005 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : cle |
| State Reference | OH |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 3000 |
| ASRS Report | 144531 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight started with a taxi to runway 23R, but to hold short of runway 28 on the ramp. Due to traffic, we took a considerable delay. We were finally cleared 'into position and hold, runway 23R.' I believe the tower controller also said there was traffic on a 2 mi final. I was in the right seat, giving initial operating experience to a new captain. Left seat captain started moving aircraft. I looked out right side window prior to crossing runway 28 and saw landing lights. I told the captain to stop, which he did. However we were beyond the hold marks. I could not tell what type of aircraft was on short final, so I told the tower we would stop short of the runway. I also decided to allow the landing aircraft to determine if there was enough room. As it turned out, it was an medium large transport and the space was barely adequate. Several points come to mind. 1) the local controller should not have cleared us to cross runway 28 and into position runway 23R. There was not enough time. 2) a new addition to runway 23R apparently is usable for landing, but not takeoff. It appears poorly marked. 3) the tower controller issued some confusing instructions concerning taxiway Z at a critical moment which made no sense at the time and only make sense if one puts his head down into the cockpit to study the runway/taxiway page. Not a good idea sometimes.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT LANDED ON RWY WITH AN ACFT HOLDING SHORT OF THE RWY. THE HOLDING ACFT WAS INSIDE OF HOLD BAR LINE NEAR THE RWY EDGE WHICH IS NOT A SAFE OPERATION.
Narrative: FLT STARTED WITH A TAXI TO RWY 23R, BUT TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 28 ON THE RAMP. DUE TO TFC, WE TOOK A CONSIDERABLE DELAY. WE WERE FINALLY CLRED 'INTO POS AND HOLD, RWY 23R.' I BELIEVE THE TWR CTLR ALSO SAID THERE WAS TFC ON A 2 MI FINAL. I WAS IN THE RIGHT SEAT, GIVING INITIAL OPERATING EXPERIENCE TO A NEW CAPT. LEFT SEAT CAPT STARTED MOVING ACFT. I LOOKED OUT RIGHT SIDE WINDOW PRIOR TO XING RWY 28 AND SAW LNDG LIGHTS. I TOLD THE CAPT TO STOP, WHICH HE DID. HOWEVER WE WERE BEYOND THE HOLD MARKS. I COULD NOT TELL WHAT TYPE OF ACFT WAS ON SHORT FINAL, SO I TOLD THE TWR WE WOULD STOP SHORT OF THE RWY. I ALSO DECIDED TO ALLOW THE LNDG ACFT TO DETERMINE IF THERE WAS ENOUGH ROOM. AS IT TURNED OUT, IT WAS AN MLG AND THE SPACE WAS BARELY ADEQUATE. SEVERAL POINTS COME TO MIND. 1) THE LCL CTLR SHOULD NOT HAVE CLRED US TO CROSS RWY 28 AND INTO POS RWY 23R. THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH TIME. 2) A NEW ADDITION TO RWY 23R APPARENTLY IS USABLE FOR LNDG, BUT NOT TKOF. IT APPEARS POORLY MARKED. 3) THE TWR CTLR ISSUED SOME CONFUSING INSTRUCTIONS CONCERNING TXWY Z AT A CRITICAL MOMENT WHICH MADE NO SENSE AT THE TIME AND ONLY MAKE SENSE IF ONE PUTS HIS HEAD DOWN INTO THE COCKPIT TO STUDY THE RWY/TXWY PAGE. NOT A GOOD IDEA SOMETIMES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.