ARTCC controller questions commuter aircraft departure procedure from guc, co.

Attributes
ACN	143886
Time
Date	199005
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : iguc airport : guc
State Reference	CO
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude other
Route In Use	enroute airway : zdv enroute other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 150
ASRS Report	143886
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 2100 flight time type : 500
ASRS Report	143993
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Ambiguous
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Flight received an IFR clearance from gunnison co airport to mtj VOR, climb to 17000'. The WX was VFR. The flight departed runway 24 and climbed using the iguc localizer to runway 6, outbnd to the FAF (plato). The minimum descent altitude at plato FAF is 10000' guaranteeing terrain clearance. V-244 from plato to mtj has an MEA of 12400'. The flight entered some obscural conditions with snow showers, 5 mi of visibility, from approximately 10500' to 14000' MSL but ground contact was available throughout the climb. We were in the clear and reported VFR on top at 14000'. Supplemental information from acn 143993. We departed runway 24 and followed the iguc localizer outbnd to plato intersection, we were above 10000' MSL at this point, some obscurity existed, 5 mi visibility between 11000' MSL and 14000' MSL during which we were on V-244 to mtj. ATC was concerned about how we maintained terrain clearance from plato intersection to the arwy. He was also concerned about the method we would use if we were IFR between those altitudes, 10000' and 14000', we answered that we would have requested a climbing hold pattern on the localizer at plato intersection until VFR was established.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ARTCC CTLR QUESTIONS COMMUTER ACFT DEP PROC FROM GUC, CO.

Narrative: FLT RECEIVED AN IFR CLRNC FROM GUNNISON CO ARPT TO MTJ VOR, CLB TO 17000'. THE WX WAS VFR. THE FLT DEPARTED RWY 24 AND CLBED USING THE IGUC LOC TO RWY 6, OUTBND TO THE FAF (PLATO). THE MINIMUM DSNT ALT AT PLATO FAF IS 10000' GUARANTEEING TERRAIN CLRNC. V-244 FROM PLATO TO MTJ HAS AN MEA OF 12400'. THE FLT ENTERED SOME OBSCURAL CONDITIONS WITH SNOW SHOWERS, 5 MI OF VISIBILITY, FROM APPROX 10500' TO 14000' MSL BUT GND CONTACT WAS AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE CLB. WE WERE IN THE CLR AND RPTED VFR ON TOP AT 14000'. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 143993. WE DEPARTED RWY 24 AND FOLLOWED THE IGUC LOC OUTBND TO PLATO INTXN, WE WERE ABOVE 10000' MSL AT THIS POINT, SOME OBSCURITY EXISTED, 5 MI VISIBILITY BTWN 11000' MSL AND 14000' MSL DURING WHICH WE WERE ON V-244 TO MTJ. ATC WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE MAINTAINED TERRAIN CLRNC FROM PLATO INTXN TO THE ARWY. HE WAS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE METHOD WE WOULD USE IF WE WERE IFR BTWN THOSE ALTS, 10000' AND 14000', WE ANSWERED THAT WE WOULD HAVE REQUESTED A CLBING HOLD PATTERN ON THE LOC AT PLATO INTXN UNTIL VFR WAS ESTABLISHED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.