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C182 pilot reported discovering after the fact that the newer aircraft weight and balance was considerable different from the older model aircraft.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1432132 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201703 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | E10.TRACON |
| State Reference | CA |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | Takeoff |
| Route In Use | Direct Visual Approach |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Single Pilot Pilot Flying Captain |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Flight Engineer Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 95 Flight Crew Total 7000 Flight Crew Type 2500 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural FAR Deviation - Procedural Weight And Balance |
Narrative:
Not all C182's are created equal or looks can be deceiving!!!we departed mmh with full fuel in a C182T carrying 87 gallons of fuel and three adults. In other 182s that I have flown including my personal 182; that load would not pose any problem.compared to other turbo charged aircraft I had flown it seemed a bit sluggish on climbout. However; it was a cold day with no turbulence and we were able to climb just fine to 11;500 feet.after a 2.5 hour flight; we made an uneventful landing. I grabbed a photo of the aircraft weight and balance and was stunned to see the difference in the weights between the 182s made in the 80s and the 2013 182 that I was flying.I did a detailed comparison between this fixed gear turbo 182 from 2013 and a retractable turbo charged 182 from 1982. I was always taught that the retractable aircraft would weigh more (due to the mechanism) than a fixed gear. That is clearly a [saying] that is not always true.the fixed gear empty weight is 928 pounds and the retractable empty weight is 1;085 pounds. In doing a detailed weight and balance; not only did we perform a significantly overweight take-off (by about 100 pounds) and we were not in the envelop for take-off. Fortunately; by the time we landed; we had burned off enough fuel to land within the envelop.ok...key learnings...just because an aircraft looks like an aircraft that you are familiar with don't assume. Second key learning...always do a weight and balance...even if it 'looks' like the load should be ok.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C182 pilot reported discovering after the fact that the newer aircraft weight and balance was considerable different from the older model aircraft.
Narrative: Not all C182's are created equal or looks can be deceiving!!!We departed MMH with full fuel in a C182T carrying 87 gallons of fuel and three adults. In other 182s that I have flown including my personal 182; that load would not pose any problem.Compared to other turbo charged aircraft I had flown it seemed a bit sluggish on climbout. However; it was a cold day with no turbulence and we were able to climb just fine to 11;500 feet.After a 2.5 hour flight; we made an uneventful landing. I grabbed a photo of the aircraft weight and balance and was stunned to see the difference in the weights between the 182s made in the 80s and the 2013 182 that I was flying.I did a detailed comparison between this fixed gear turbo 182 from 2013 and a retractable turbo charged 182 from 1982. I was always taught that the retractable aircraft would weigh more (due to the mechanism) than a fixed gear. That is clearly a [saying] that is not always true.The fixed gear empty weight is 928 pounds and the retractable empty weight is 1;085 pounds. In doing a detailed weight and balance; not only did we perform a significantly overweight take-off (by about 100 pounds) and we were not in the envelop for take-off. Fortunately; by the time we landed; we had burned off enough fuel to land within the envelop.OK...key learnings...just because an aircraft looks like an aircraft that you are familiar with DON'T ASSUME. Second key learning...ALWAYS do a weight and balance...even if it 'looks' like the load should be OK.
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