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B737 ng captain reported norcal approach uses rogge as a fix in their clearance for sfo runway 19L approaches but rogge is not in the FMC database.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1418790 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201701 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | SFO.Airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Final Approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Experience | Flight Crew Type 1800 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
ILS / localizer 19L for sfo; jepp page 11-1. The norcal approach controllers use rogge as a reference on the approach to ILS 19L. Rogge does not load as a fix for the ILS in the CDU. Rogge is used as a reference for stepping down on the localizer for 19L. The [maltese] cross is at shake and is the fix that is loaded into the CDU. Shake is 8.4 NM from the end of the runway; rogge 5.5 NM. Norcal uses rogge as the final approach fix and request us to keep a specific speed till then. Talking to the approach controller via telephone the rogge fix has always been used as a reference fix for the ILS 19L. Even though we knew how to identify rogge we were not expecting to reference this fix and created a last minute distraction during a critical phase of flight. Adding fixes inside the final approach fix is not a standard procedure that we practice. For consistency and standardization it might be in the best interest to include rogge as a fix that loads when selecting the ILS 19L.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 NG Captain reported NorCal Approach uses ROGGE as a fix in their clearance for SFO Runway 19L approaches but ROGGE is not in the FMC database.
Narrative: ILS / LOC 19L for SFO; Jepp page 11-1. The NorCal approach controllers use ROGGE as a reference on the approach to ILS 19L. ROGGE does not load as a fix for the ILS in the CDU. ROGGE is used as a reference for stepping down on the LOC for 19L. The [Maltese] cross is at SHAKE and is the fix that is loaded into the CDU. SHAKE is 8.4 NM from the end of the runway; ROGGE 5.5 NM. NorCal uses ROGGE as the final approach fix and request us to keep a specific speed till then. Talking to the approach controller via telephone the ROGGE fix has always been used as a reference fix for the ILS 19L. Even though we knew how to identify ROGGE we were not expecting to reference this fix and created a last minute distraction during a critical phase of flight. Adding fixes inside the final approach fix is not a standard procedure that we practice. For consistency and standardization it might be in the best interest to include ROGGE as a fix that loads when selecting the ILS 19L.
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