Air carrier large transport takeoff in excess of runway maximum.

Attributes
ACN	141415
Time
Date	199004
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : rno
State Reference	NV
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : takeoff ground : preflight
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 7800 flight time type : 1400
ASRS Report	141415
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 3000
ASRS Report	141991
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other other : unspecified
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Airport
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Flight was scheduled to takeoff from rno. I copied the ATIS which indicated calm winds, so we planned to takeoff to the north, using 34L. Our maximum takeoff weight, packs off was 152600#. Just before engine start I checked the new ATIS. It gave wind of 130 degrees at 10 KTS, meaning we had to takeoff to the south, and that our maximum takeoff weight was 147100#. The agent offloaded several PA and the closeout indicated we were legal for takeoff, so we did. About 13 mins later we received an ACARS message saying we were overweight for takeoff, but that they had the full load of passenger. We had the F/a's do a passenger count, which showed 104--still too many. Next time we'll count the passenger before takeoff. Supplemental information from acn 141991: takeoff runway 16R at maximum takeoff weight 147100# with 4 passenger shown on paperwork (load closeout). Actual passenger count made by F/a's was 104.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR LGT TKOF IN EXCESS OF RWY MAXIMUM.

Narrative: FLT WAS SCHEDULED TO TKOF FROM RNO. I COPIED THE ATIS WHICH INDICATED CALM WINDS, SO WE PLANNED TO TKOF TO THE N, USING 34L. OUR MAX TKOF WT, PACKS OFF WAS 152600#. JUST BEFORE ENG START I CHKED THE NEW ATIS. IT GAVE WIND OF 130 DEGS AT 10 KTS, MEANING WE HAD TO TKOF TO THE S, AND THAT OUR MAX TKOF WT WAS 147100#. THE AGENT OFFLOADED SEVERAL PA AND THE CLOSEOUT INDICATED WE WERE LEGAL FOR TKOF, SO WE DID. ABOUT 13 MINS LATER WE RECEIVED AN ACARS MESSAGE SAYING WE WERE OVERWT FOR TKOF, BUT THAT THEY HAD THE FULL LOAD OF PAX. WE HAD THE F/A'S DO A PAX COUNT, WHICH SHOWED 104--STILL TOO MANY. NEXT TIME WE'LL COUNT THE PAX BEFORE TKOF. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 141991: TKOF RWY 16R AT MAX TKOF WT 147100# WITH 4 PAX SHOWN ON PAPERWORK (LOAD CLOSEOUT). ACTUAL PAX COUNT MADE BY F/A'S WAS 104.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.