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Regional jet pilot reported wake turbulence concerns related to departing behind and following aircraft into and out of airports. Pilot stated ATC appears to be in a rush.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1407339 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201612 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Flight Phase | Final Approach Takeoff |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Experience | Flight Crew Total 18000 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Ground Conflict Less Severe Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Procedural Clearance Inflight Event / Encounter Wake Vortex Encounter |
Narrative:
There has been a continuing trend where tower is clearing aircraft for take-off; primarily dfw; ord; before the preceding aircraft have even left the runway. The result is; if not always; improper separation between aircraft; and experiencing wake turbulence from the preceding aircraft. What is the rush? Ask for a slight delay and you get attitude from the controller.I find it ironic that when on approach; sna and lax for example ATC will say maintain airspeed but 'caution wake turbulence' from the aircraft you are following. Please tell me; what action should a pilot take at that point? How do you 'caution wake turbulence' and told not to slow down when you are on a stable approach? How many go-arounds do I have to make to remain safe because a controller is in a rush? These events occur because ATC appears to be in a rush to 'get 'em out.' the new separation standards are not safe. These constant wake turbulence events are going to lead to a disaster. When I once asked a controller what the separation was between our aircraft; the response was 'adequate.' sorry;but I think that is for the PIC to decide.how about the aircraft in front of you actually leaves the tarmac with gear up before clearing the next aircraft for take-off? How about not putting an aircraft that is 20k slower in front of you but you are told to keep your speed up?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Regional jet pilot reported wake turbulence concerns related to departing behind and following aircraft into and out of airports. Pilot stated ATC appears to be in a rush.
Narrative: There has been a continuing trend where tower is clearing aircraft for take-off; primarily DFW; ORD; before the preceding aircraft have even left the runway. The result is; if not always; improper separation between aircraft; and experiencing wake turbulence from the preceding aircraft. What is the rush? Ask for a slight delay and you get attitude from the controller.I find it ironic that when on approach; SNA and LAX for example ATC will say maintain airspeed but 'caution wake turbulence' from the aircraft you are following. Please tell me; what action should a pilot take at that point? How do you 'caution wake turbulence' and told not to slow down when you are on a stable approach? How many go-arounds do I have to make to remain safe because a controller is in a rush? These events occur because ATC appears to be in a rush to 'get 'em out.' The new separation standards are not safe. These constant wake turbulence events are going to lead to a disaster. When I once asked a controller what the separation was between our aircraft; the response was 'adequate.' Sorry;but I think that is for the PIC to decide.How about the aircraft in front of you actually leaves the tarmac with gear up before clearing the next aircraft for take-off? How about not putting an aircraft that is 20k slower in front of you but you are told to keep your speed up?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.