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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1392904 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201610 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | LFPG.Airport |
| State Reference | FO |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Widebody Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Descent Initial Approach |
| Route In Use | STAR LORNI 3E |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Component | |
| Aircraft Component | Aero Charts |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Aircraft Equipment Problem Less Severe Deviation - Procedural Other / Unknown Flight Deck / Cabin / Aircraft Event Other / Unknown |
Narrative:
Arrived lfpg on vedus 6E arrival. Then assigned lorni 3E. Could not find this arrival. Recently jeppesen moved a number of arrivals to a different tab - one labeled approach. These are not actually approaches; these are arrivals. That's the 1st issue. Secondly; jeppesen has RNAV arrivals and RNAV night arrivals. Which would you use around midnight?using common sense; of course; I looked under night arrivals (found lorni 3G). Wrong! It was under the other tab. We knew time was limited; so we told approach we needed vectors/ no problems with any traffic.jeppesen needs to re-arrange arrivals and approaches into lfpg. This was never a problem in the past. Put arrivals under the arrivals tab; not the approach tab. And; if you have a separate tab for night arrivals; make sure that's what they use at night. We eventually found our arrival under the other tab.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Flight crew reported that while on a night arrival to LFPG they were issued a new arrival by ATC. They had difficulty finding the new arrival because; recently Jeppesen Charting expanded the category APPROACH to include RNAV ARRIVALS and RNAV NIGHT ARRIVALS which are not approaches. Reportedly the RNAV; NIGHT NAV distinction appears arbitrary and confusing.
Narrative: Arrived LFPG on VEDUS 6E Arrival. Then assigned LORNI 3E. Could not find this arrival. Recently Jeppesen moved a number of arrivals to a different tab - one labeled APPROACH. These are not actually approaches; these are arrivals. That's the 1st issue. Secondly; Jeppesen has RNAV ARRIVALS and RNAV NIGHT ARRIVALS. Which would you use around midnight?Using common sense; of course; I looked under NIGHT ARRIVALS (Found LORNI 3G). Wrong! It was under the other tab. We knew time was limited; so we told approach we needed vectors/ no problems with any traffic.Jeppesen needs to re-arrange arrivals and approaches into LFPG. This was never a problem in the past. Put arrivals under the ARRIVALS tab; not the APPROACH tab. And; if you have a separate tab for NIGHT ARRIVALS; make sure that's what they use at night. We eventually found our arrival under the other tab.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.