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ZAB controller who had just been relieved reported observing the new controller use incorrect procedures to clear an aircraft for an approach.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1385765 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201609 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | ZAB.ARTCC |
| State Reference | NM |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Helicopter |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | Cruise |
| Route In Use | Vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Enroute |
| Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
| Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 6.5 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Inflight Event / Encounter CFTT / CFIT |
Narrative:
I had just given up the sector to a new controller. I had aircraft X on vector north of poake for VOR/DME-a approach into saf. I had told the pilot my plan as well as the relieving controller. Shortly after giving up the sector; while I was standing behind to make sure I didn't miss anything; I hear the new controller clear aircraft X direct poake. Aircraft X was southwest of poake; and the IAP has no course reversal at the intersection.I pointed out the problem to the new controller; even explaining the course reversal problem and terrain issues (guy was right at the minimum IFR altitude (mia) with high terrain surrounding). I was shrugged off with an 'I don't care'. I left before I could get upset. I presume they cleared aircraft X for the approach while south of poake.controllers don't care about actually following or maintaining knowledge of procedures here; they only care if/when they get caught. Nothing will change without actual accountability for controllers. Controllers don't understand the pilot environment and the difficult positions they put pilots in sometimes when not following procedure. Supervisors don't know any different unless it's the flavor of the day and being emphasized by some external source. I predict that nothing will change.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZAB Controller who had just been relieved reported observing the new Controller use incorrect procedures to clear an aircraft for an approach.
Narrative: I had just given up the sector to a new controller. I had aircraft X on vector north of POAKE for VOR/DME-A Approach into SAF. I had told the pilot my plan as well as the relieving controller. Shortly after giving up the sector; while I was standing behind to make sure I didn't miss anything; I hear the new controller clear aircraft X direct POAKE. Aircraft X was southwest of POAKE; and the IAP has no course reversal at the intersection.I pointed out the problem to the new controller; even explaining the course reversal problem and terrain issues (guy was right at the Minimum IFR Altitude (MIA) with high terrain surrounding). I was shrugged off with an 'I don't care'. I left before I could get upset. I presume they cleared aircraft X for the approach while south of POAKE.Controllers don't care about actually following or maintaining knowledge of procedures here; they only care if/when they get caught. Nothing will change without actual accountability for controllers. Controllers don't understand the pilot environment and the difficult positions they put pilots in sometimes when not following procedure. Supervisors don't know any different unless it's the flavor of the day and being emphasized by some external source. I predict that nothing will change.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.