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Air carrier PIC reports the ATC technique of sna approach controllers unsafe with a slam-dunk approach into the VFR traffic and reduced visibility due to sun position. Does not like the overall environment of sna from approachs to departure profiles on SID.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 136467 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198912 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : sna |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2300 msl bound upper : 10000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sna |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 325 |
| ASRS Report | 136467 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
| Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We continued on to orange county where the approach controller attempted to give us a very high and in close turn onto the lda final approach in hazy conditions with approximately 1 mi maximum visibility looking into the sun. It is typical of coast approach to try to slam dunk all arrs from the east. This can be particularly hazardous in reduced visibility situations with VFR aircraft operating in the area. I really do feel that the entire orange county operation, from approach procedures to the ridiculous noise abatement takeoff profile, is an accident waiting to happen.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR PIC REPORTS THE ATC TECHNIQUE OF SNA APCH CTLRS UNSAFE WITH A SLAM-DUNK APCH INTO THE VFR TRAFFIC AND REDUCED VISIBILITY DUE TO SUN POSITION. DOES NOT LIKE THE OVERALL ENVIRONMENT OF SNA FROM APCHS TO DEP PROFILES ON SID.
Narrative: WE CONTINUED ON TO ORANGE COUNTY WHERE THE APCH CTLR ATTEMPTED TO GIVE US A VERY HIGH AND IN CLOSE TURN ONTO THE LDA FINAL APCH IN HAZY CONDITIONS WITH APPROX 1 MI MAX VISIBILITY LOOKING INTO THE SUN. IT IS TYPICAL OF COAST APCH TO TRY TO SLAM DUNK ALL ARRS FROM THE E. THIS CAN BE PARTICULARLY HAZARDOUS IN REDUCED VISIBILITY SITUATIONS WITH VFR ACFT OPERATING IN THE AREA. I REALLY DO FEEL THAT THE ENTIRE ORANGE COUNTY OPERATION, FROM APCH PROCS TO THE RIDICULOUS NOISE ABATEMENT TKOF PROFILE, IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.