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Airborne conflict for commuter on visual to 25R at lax, and air carrier-medium large transport on approach to the 24's.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 136351 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199002 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3400 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3600 flight time type : 1200 |
| ASRS Report | 136351 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 4000 vertical : 350 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On a visibility approach to runway 5R at lax, approach control advised us to follow an air carrier medium large transport Y and pass above and behind that aircraft. The medium large transport Y was approximately 5 mi from our position for the 24 complex. We were on a close in right base. We slowed our aircraft to minimum approach speed, and still we passed slightly in front of the medium large transport Y and 300-400' above him. Both aircraft landed west/O further incident and neither had to make any abrupt maneuvers.I feel the controller should have extended our downwind leg to make it a little more practical to follow the medium large transport Y.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AIRBORNE CONFLICT FOR COMMUTER ON VISUAL TO 25R AT LAX, AND ACR-MLG ON APCH TO THE 24'S.
Narrative: ON A VIS APCH TO RWY 5R AT LAX, APCH CTL ADVISED US TO FOLLOW AN ACR MLG Y AND PASS ABOVE AND BEHIND THAT ACFT. THE MLG Y WAS APPROX 5 MI FROM OUR POS FOR THE 24 COMPLEX. WE WERE ON A CLOSE IN RIGHT BASE. WE SLOWED OUR ACFT TO MINIMUM APCH SPD, AND STILL WE PASSED SLIGHTLY IN FRONT OF THE MLG Y AND 300-400' ABOVE HIM. BOTH ACFT LANDED W/O FURTHER INCIDENT AND NEITHER HAD TO MAKE ANY ABRUPT MANEUVERS.I FEEL THE CTLR SHOULD HAVE EXTENDED OUR DOWNWIND LEG TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE PRACTICAL TO FOLLOW THE MLG Y.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.