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Pilot reported he was unhappy with techniques used by new york area ATC personnel.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1317421 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201512 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | EWR.Airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | Cruise |
| Route In Use | Direct |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Pilot Flying Single Pilot |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Commercial |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 50 Flight Crew Total 1480 Flight Crew Type 1200 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural FAR Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
And another of the type 'tower controller does not understand that a VFR pilot needs to hear that he is cleared to enter the class B airspace'. I file a similar report about a week ago about a controller in the laguardia tower. This time a similar thing happened with newark tower. I had departed and was heading directly towards newark. After a while [departure airport] hands me over; and I make my initial call with newark tower. He asked for my intentions; and I told him that I wanted to fly direct to newark; then to the statue; then northbound over the hudson. He gave me instructions to overfly the newark airport. When I was about to hit class B airspace; I told him that I still don't have a class B clearance; and he replied that; yes; I would; he gave me instructions how to fly over the airport. But; VFR traffic needs a clearance to enter class B airspace (unlike IFR).I criticize the following:- a very arrogant attitude towards VFR aircraft in the ny airspace area. Every student pilot learns that VFR aircraft need a clearance to enter class B airspace; instructions won't do (unlike IFR).- a lack of competence. Tower controllers; and then from very busy airports such as laguardia and newark; should know at least as much as student pilots do.- a very arrogant attitude towards responding to pilots afterwards.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Pilot reported he was unhappy with techniques used by New York area ATC personnel.
Narrative: And another of the type 'Tower Controller does not understand that a VFR pilot needs to hear that he is cleared to enter the Class B airspace'. I file a similar report about a week ago about a Controller in the LaGuardia Tower. This time a similar thing happened with Newark Tower. I had departed and was heading directly towards Newark. After a while [departure airport] hands me over; and I make my initial call with Newark Tower. He asked for my intentions; and I told him that I wanted to fly direct to Newark; then to the Statue; then northbound over the Hudson. He gave me instructions to overfly the Newark airport. When I was about to hit class B airspace; I told him that I still don't have a Class B clearance; and he replied that; yes; I would; he gave me instructions how to fly over the airport. But; VFR traffic needs a clearance to enter class B airspace (unlike IFR).I criticize the following:- A very arrogant attitude towards VFR aircraft in the NY airspace area. Every student pilot learns that VFR aircraft need a clearance to enter class B airspace; instructions won't do (unlike IFR).- A lack of competence. Tower controllers; and then from very busy airports such as LaGuardia and Newark; should know at least as much as student pilots do.- A very arrogant attitude towards responding to pilots afterwards.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.