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Air carrier pilot questions the legality of crossing psp VOR at an altitude less than depicted on other sids. Reports that no crossing altitude published on palm 2 psp SID while all other sids have a crossing altitude published. Crossed psp at 6000' on radar vector departure while low altitude chart shows MEA of 9000' and a MOCA altitude of 8200' immediately after crossing VOR northbound on V386.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 131583 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198912 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : psp |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 8200 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : psp tower : psp |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
| Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 131583 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Departure off psp runway 12. Clearance: psp 2 SID rv to join V386 pmd as filed maintain 4000 ft. The SID requires a turn to 100 degrees. Shortly after takeoff we were cleared left to the psp VOR and up to 13000 ft. We were climbing in excess of 2000 FPM in VFR conditions and within 5 mi of the psp VOR. We crossed the VOR at approximately 6000 ft. Later, reviewing the low altitude en route chart, we discovered that psp VOR had a MCA of 7600 ft nwbnd on V386. I'm uncertain whether there was a far type problem conflict involved as we met the climb gradient specified in the SID. However, I believe that for safety's sake (particularly for IMC flying) the MCA should be depicted on the psp 2 SID. MCA are shown on the other 2 psp sids.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR PLT QUESTIONS THE LEGALITY OF CROSSING PSP VOR AT AN ALT LESS THAN DEPICTED ON OTHER SIDS. REPORTS THAT NO CROSSING ALT PUBLISHED ON PALM 2 PSP SID WHILE ALL OTHER SIDS HAVE A CROSSING ALT PUBLISHED. CROSSED PSP AT 6000' ON RADAR VECTOR DEP WHILE LOW ALT CHART SHOWS MEA OF 9000' AND A MOCA ALT OF 8200' IMMEDIATELY AFTER CROSSING VOR NORTHBOUND ON V386.
Narrative: DEP OFF PSP RWY 12. CLRNC: PSP 2 SID RV TO JOIN V386 PMD AS FILED MAINTAIN 4000 FT. THE SID REQUIRES A TURN TO 100 DEGS. SHORTLY AFTER TKOF WE WERE CLRED LEFT TO THE PSP VOR AND UP TO 13000 FT. WE WERE CLBING IN EXCESS OF 2000 FPM IN VFR CONDITIONS AND WITHIN 5 MI OF THE PSP VOR. WE CROSSED THE VOR AT APPROX 6000 FT. LATER, REVIEWING THE LOW ALT ENRTE CHART, WE DISCOVERED THAT PSP VOR HAD A MCA OF 7600 FT NWBND ON V386. I'M UNCERTAIN WHETHER THERE WAS A FAR TYPE PROB CONFLICT INVOLVED AS WE MET THE CLB GRADIENT SPECIFIED IN THE SID. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THAT FOR SAFETY'S SAKE (PARTICULARLY FOR IMC FLYING) THE MCA SHOULD BE DEPICTED ON THE PSP 2 SID. MCA ARE SHOWN ON THE OTHER 2 PSP SIDS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.