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Air carrier captain exits high speed taxiway at atl and automatically continues down parallel taxiway even though tower intended for him to cross the parallel. When tower asked him if he was complying as instructed, captain tried to do a 180 on taxiway but drove nosewheel past stop and got stuck. Tow truck was called.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 130500 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198912 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : atl |
| State Reference | GA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 113 flight time total : 9375 flight time type : 1400 |
| ASRS Report | 130500 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 12300 flight time type : 3900 |
| ASRS Report | 130147 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
After landing at atl, tower instructed us to take the high speed turnoff. The last high speed on 27L was N2. While rolling on the high speed the captain called for after landing and taxi checklist. I made the landing and turnoff so I replied 'do you have the brakes'. He said 'yes'. I said 'you have the aircraft and the brakes'. Then complied with his call for checklist. While I was completing the after landing and taxi checklist, tower called 'hold short of 27R at tango'. The captain answered. We had already traveled down the taxiway approximately 50 yds when tower called again 'are you going to tango'. Hearing this, I stopped my checklist and looked up while checking the airport diagram. Captain said 'is that tango'. I said 'no, that's papa. Tango is behind us. Do you want me to request papa'. He replied 'no...'. At that time tower called 'can you make tango'. Captain replied 'yes' and started a 180 degree turn on the taxiway. I thought the turn was too tight and said 'I don't think we can make it, this is too tight'. Captain said 'sure we will, I've done this before'. 45 degree into the turn I advised against it again 'we're not going to make it. I think we should stop'. His reply was 'sure we will'. At 90 degree into the turn, nose tire full turn plus, apparently with too much power or crossing a concrete seam, the nose pivoted past 90 degree and we were unable to continue the turn or straighten out the nose wheel. We advised tower and called maintenance. When they arrived they confirmed the nose wheel on the taxiway but well past 90 degree. The nose wheel was straightened by maintenance and we taxied to the gate on our own power. I questioned maintenance several times. They confirmed we never left the taxiway, but the nose wheel was full right to the towing position, past 90 degree. No damage to strut or aircraft. Nose tire replaced due to scuffing. Several situations led up to this. 1) tower could have advised 'make the last high speed with a right turn, hold short of tango...'. 2) captain could have stopped until sure of where he was. 3) captain could have at least considered the advice of his first officer. Poor judgement on the captain's part. First officer wasn't vocal enough. Next time I'll hit him with a board! Supplemental information from acn 130147: probably the main factor in this incident was poor judgement in making a 180 degree turn on a taxiway when it was not necessary. I could have continued to a taxiway ahead and told the tower I missed the turn and would hold short of the active runway at another point. The tower controller left me with the impression that he could not see me from the tower because he asked me to state my position several times. I also feel that the controller could have added, in his taxi instructions, to make a right turn when leaving the runway I landed on to get me headed in the correct direction to the taxiway he wanted me to hold on.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CAPT EXITS HIGH SPEED TXWY AT ATL AND AUTOMATICALLY CONTINUES DOWN PARALLEL TXWY EVEN THOUGH TWR INTENDED FOR HIM TO CROSS THE PARALLEL. WHEN TWR ASKED HIM IF HE WAS COMPLYING AS INSTRUCTED, CAPT TRIED TO DO A 180 ON TXWY BUT DROVE NOSEWHEEL PAST STOP AND GOT STUCK. TOW TRUCK WAS CALLED.
Narrative: AFTER LNDG AT ATL, TWR INSTRUCTED US TO TAKE THE HIGH SPEED TURNOFF. THE LAST HIGH SPEED ON 27L WAS N2. WHILE ROLLING ON THE HIGH SPEED THE CAPT CALLED FOR AFTER LNDG AND TAXI CHECKLIST. I MADE THE LNDG AND TURNOFF SO I REPLIED 'DO YOU HAVE THE BRAKES'. HE SAID 'YES'. I SAID 'YOU HAVE THE ACFT AND THE BRAKES'. THEN COMPLIED WITH HIS CALL FOR CHECKLIST. WHILE I WAS COMPLETING THE AFTER LNDG AND TAXI CHECKLIST, TWR CALLED 'HOLD SHORT OF 27R AT TANGO'. THE CAPT ANSWERED. WE HAD ALREADY TRAVELED DOWN THE TXWY APPROX 50 YDS WHEN TWR CALLED AGAIN 'ARE YOU GOING TO TANGO'. HEARING THIS, I STOPPED MY CHECKLIST AND LOOKED UP WHILE CHECKING THE ARPT DIAGRAM. CAPT SAID 'IS THAT TANGO'. I SAID 'NO, THAT'S PAPA. TANGO IS BEHIND US. DO YOU WANT ME TO REQUEST PAPA'. HE REPLIED 'NO...'. AT THAT TIME TWR CALLED 'CAN YOU MAKE TANGO'. CAPT REPLIED 'YES' AND STARTED A 180 DEG TURN ON THE TXWY. I THOUGHT THE TURN WAS TOO TIGHT AND SAID 'I DON'T THINK WE CAN MAKE IT, THIS IS TOO TIGHT'. CAPT SAID 'SURE WE WILL, I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE'. 45 DEG INTO THE TURN I ADVISED AGAINST IT AGAIN 'WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT. I THINK WE SHOULD STOP'. HIS REPLY WAS 'SURE WE WILL'. AT 90 DEG INTO THE TURN, NOSE TIRE FULL TURN PLUS, APPARENTLY WITH TOO MUCH POWER OR XING A CONCRETE SEAM, THE NOSE PIVOTED PAST 90 DEG AND WE WERE UNABLE TO CONTINUE THE TURN OR STRAIGHTEN OUT THE NOSE WHEEL. WE ADVISED TWR AND CALLED MAINT. WHEN THEY ARRIVED THEY CONFIRMED THE NOSE WHEEL ON THE TXWY BUT WELL PAST 90 DEG. THE NOSE WHEEL WAS STRAIGHTENED BY MAINT AND WE TAXIED TO THE GATE ON OUR OWN POWER. I QUESTIONED MAINT SEVERAL TIMES. THEY CONFIRMED WE NEVER LEFT THE TXWY, BUT THE NOSE WHEEL WAS FULL RIGHT TO THE TOWING POSITION, PAST 90 DEG. NO DAMAGE TO STRUT OR ACFT. NOSE TIRE REPLACED DUE TO SCUFFING. SEVERAL SITUATIONS LED UP TO THIS. 1) TWR COULD HAVE ADVISED 'MAKE THE LAST HIGH SPEED WITH A RIGHT TURN, HOLD SHORT OF TANGO...'. 2) CAPT COULD HAVE STOPPED UNTIL SURE OF WHERE HE WAS. 3) CAPT COULD HAVE AT LEAST CONSIDERED THE ADVICE OF HIS F/O. POOR JUDGEMENT ON THE CAPT'S PART. F/O WASN'T VOCAL ENOUGH. NEXT TIME I'LL HIT HIM WITH A BOARD! SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION FROM ACN 130147: PROBABLY THE MAIN FACTOR IN THIS INCIDENT WAS POOR JUDGEMENT IN MAKING A 180 DEG TURN ON A TXWY WHEN IT WAS NOT NECESSARY. I COULD HAVE CONTINUED TO A TXWY AHEAD AND TOLD THE TWR I MISSED THE TURN AND WOULD HOLD SHORT OF THE ACTIVE RWY AT ANOTHER POINT. THE TWR CTLR LEFT ME WITH THE IMPRESSION THAT HE COULD NOT SEE ME FROM THE TWR BECAUSE HE ASKED ME TO STATE MY POSITION SEVERAL TIMES. I ALSO FEEL THAT THE CTLR COULD HAVE ADDED, IN HIS TAXI INSTRUCTIONS, TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN WHEN LEAVING THE RWY I LANDED ON TO GET ME HEADED IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION TO THE TXWY HE WANTED ME TO HOLD ON.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.