Corporate light transport taxiing into sun slightly overran holding line for the 33 runway.

Attributes
ACN	130391
Time
Date	198912
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : det
State Reference	MI
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : clt
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	ground : holding ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 200
ASRS Report	130391
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 14340 flight time type : 275
ASRS Report	130283
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
Airport	other physical facility

Narrative:

We were cleared to taxi to runway 33. Chief pilot (acting as copilot) was programming navigation management system due to clearance change. I left ramp area after start to reduce noise in ramp area (company policy). This area of airport ramp/txwys/runways is confusing because it is all paved. No clear taxi yellow centerlines were observed leaving FBO ramp. There were many areas marked with yellow stripes as non-moving areas. I did not see hold line until it passed under cockpit area. I stopped smoothly, parking with the hold line just aft of main gear under tail of aircraft. Ground control informed us that we had passed it. I acknowledged and told him we did not see it until on top of it. He said 'no problem'. No further instructions were given (see graphic). A check aircraft was observed flight checking the ILS (making a miss). No other traffic was observed.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CORPORATE LTT TAXIING INTO SUN SLIGHTLY OVERRAN HOLDING LINE FOR THE 33 RWY.

Narrative: WE WERE CLRED TO TAXI TO RWY 33. CHIEF PLT (ACTING AS COPLT) WAS PROGRAMMING NAV MGMNT SYSTEM DUE TO CLRNC CHANGE. I LEFT RAMP AREA AFTER START TO REDUCE NOISE IN RAMP AREA (COMPANY POLICY). THIS AREA OF ARPT RAMP/TXWYS/RWYS IS CONFUSING BECAUSE IT IS ALL PAVED. NO CLEAR TAXI YELLOW CENTERLINES WERE OBSERVED LEAVING FBO RAMP. THERE WERE MANY AREAS MARKED WITH YELLOW STRIPES AS NON-MOVING AREAS. I DID NOT SEE HOLD LINE UNTIL IT PASSED UNDER COCKPIT AREA. I STOPPED SMOOTHLY, PARKING WITH THE HOLD LINE JUST AFT OF MAIN GEAR UNDER TAIL OF ACFT. GND CTL INFORMED US THAT WE HAD PASSED IT. I ACKNOWLEDGED AND TOLD HIM WE DID NOT SEE IT UNTIL ON TOP OF IT. HE SAID 'NO PROBLEM'. NO FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS WERE GIVEN (SEE GRAPHIC). A CHECK ACFT WAS OBSERVED FLT CHECKING THE ILS (MAKING A MISS). NO OTHER TFC WAS OBSERVED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.