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Flight crew of corporate fry flight cancelled IFR, was then advised by TRACON they had entered a controlled VFR area.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 126861 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198910 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : muc |
| State Reference | FO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : muc |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 300 |
| ASRS Report | 126861 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On an IFR flight plan from zurich, switzerland to munich, west germany. 1) cancelled IFR 48 mi southwest of munich at 9000' MSL due to not having the specified arrival plate for arrival in use on board. (As it turned out, we did, but misunderstood approach control.) 2) we were advised to change frequencys after cancelling IFR and contact 'VFR control'. 3) we contacted control and were given a heading to fly, 'maintain 9000', and squawk '1234'. 4) after complying, we were advised that we just entered the controled VFR area (cvfr), and should have been under 5000' MSL. 5) we advised control that we were given 'maintain 9000' and we were maintaining. 6) we were then advised by control that 'it is the pilot's responsibility to be at the proper altitude in the area, and that we had 'clipped' the cvfr area.' corrective action was taken and we descended to below 5000'. Summation: german flight rules, controllers and accepted practice are not in universal accord with united states practices. Also, they are not consistent with the general practice in other parts of west germany (ie, frankfurt, hanover, ensheim or hamburg). Lesson learned: even if you comply with a controller, you may be wrong! In the same situation again, we should have advised that we were about to enter the cvfr area and that we were leaving 9000 for 4500'.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF CORPORATE FRY FLT CANCELLED IFR, WAS THEN ADVISED BY TRACON THEY HAD ENTERED A CONTROLLED VFR AREA.
Narrative: ON AN IFR FLT PLAN FROM ZURICH, SWITZERLAND TO MUNICH, WEST GERMANY. 1) CANCELLED IFR 48 MI SW OF MUNICH AT 9000' MSL DUE TO NOT HAVING THE SPECIFIED ARR PLATE FOR ARR IN USE ON BOARD. (AS IT TURNED OUT, WE DID, BUT MISUNDERSTOOD APCH CTL.) 2) WE WERE ADVISED TO CHANGE FREQS AFTER CANCELLING IFR AND CONTACT 'VFR CTL'. 3) WE CONTACTED CTL AND WERE GIVEN A HDG TO FLY, 'MAINTAIN 9000', AND SQUAWK '1234'. 4) AFTER COMPLYING, WE WERE ADVISED THAT WE JUST ENTERED THE CTLED VFR AREA (CVFR), AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER 5000' MSL. 5) WE ADVISED CTL THAT WE WERE GIVEN 'MAINTAIN 9000' AND WE WERE MAINTAINING. 6) WE WERE THEN ADVISED BY CTL THAT 'IT IS THE PLT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO BE AT THE PROPER ALT IN THE AREA, AND THAT WE HAD 'CLIPPED' THE CVFR AREA.' CORRECTIVE ACTION WAS TAKEN AND WE DESCENDED TO BELOW 5000'. SUMMATION: GERMAN FLT RULES, CTLRS AND ACCEPTED PRACTICE ARE NOT IN UNIVERSAL ACCORD WITH UNITED STATES PRACTICES. ALSO, THEY ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PRACTICE IN OTHER PARTS OF WEST GERMANY (IE, FRANKFURT, HANOVER, ENSHEIM OR HAMBURG). LESSON LEARNED: EVEN IF YOU COMPLY WITH A CTLR, YOU MAY BE WRONG! IN THE SAME SITUATION AGAIN, WE SHOULD HAVE ADVISED THAT WE WERE ABOUT TO ENTER THE CVFR AREA AND THAT WE WERE LEAVING 9000 FOR 4500'.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.