<< >> NASA ASRS Report 126108, October 1989

Light transport air carrier flight crew given late handoff. On call-up, controller said had considered them to 'lost communication.'

Attributes
ACN	126108
Time
Date	198910
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : seg
State Reference	PA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 12000
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zny
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng
Flight Phase	cruise other
Route In Use	enroute : direct
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 125 flight time total : 2650 flight time type : 1300
ASRS Report	126108
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Deviation

Narrative:

En route from bgm to iad, we were checked in with ZNY on 133.35. We were given direct seg VORTAC by ZNY. Approximately 38 DME ssw of seg VORTAC, the PNF asked for lower. Center then asked us to squawk identify. The controller then said we should be on 134.8. The PNF checked in and the controller asked, 'where have you been?' when asked what he meant, the controller informed us that we were shown to be 'lost radios' for the past 80 mi. The PNF then informed him that we were just now turned over. The controller then turned us over to ZNY on 132.2 and not another mention was made.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: LTT ACR FLT CREW GIVEN LATE HANDOFF. ON CALL-UP, CTLR SAID HAD CONSIDERED THEM TO 'LOST COM.'

Narrative: ENRTE FROM BGM TO IAD, WE WERE CHKED IN WITH ZNY ON 133.35. WE WERE GIVEN DIRECT SEG VORTAC BY ZNY. APPROX 38 DME SSW OF SEG VORTAC, THE PNF ASKED FOR LOWER. CENTER THEN ASKED US TO SQUAWK IDENT. THE CTLR THEN SAID WE SHOULD BE ON 134.8. THE PNF CHKED IN AND THE CTLR ASKED, 'WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?' WHEN ASKED WHAT HE MEANT, THE CTLR INFORMED US THAT WE WERE SHOWN TO BE 'LOST RADIOS' FOR THE PAST 80 MI. THE PNF THEN INFORMED HIM THAT WE WERE JUST NOW TURNED OVER. THE CTLR THEN TURNED US OVER TO ZNY ON 132.2 AND NOT ANOTHER MENTION WAS MADE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.