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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 123952 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198910 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : cak |
| State Reference | OH |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7000 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : cak artcc : zbw |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | other personnel other |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller non radar : 2 controller radar : 10 |
| ASRS Report | 123952 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 1 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified atc |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : investigated Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Two IFR aircraft 2 mi lateral separation. No altitude separation. The on duty supervisor knowingly denied the occurrence. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: the reporter was evasive and couldn't remember much about the incident. He did state both aircraft were GA's. One a propeller the other a bizjet. The propeller was level and the bizjet was climbing. He was just watching the operation and saw 2 mi radar separation with converging courses. He reported this to the supervisor and the supervisor said he was watching the operation and saw 3 mi separation and diverging courses. This analyst believes this is a case of professional difference of opinion, and the controller is angry because an operational error was not filed by the supervisor. The controller working the position had been certified for 6 months.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION BETWEEN 2 IFR ACFT. SYSTEM ERROR.
Narrative: TWO IFR ACFT 2 MI LATERAL SEPARATION. NO ALT SEPARATION. THE ON DUTY SUPVR KNOWINGLY DENIED THE OCCURRENCE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH REPORTER REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: THE REPORTER WAS EVASIVE AND COULDN'T REMEMBER MUCH ABOUT THE INCIDENT. HE DID STATE BOTH ACFT WERE GA'S. ONE A PROPELLER THE OTHER A BIZJET. THE PROPELLER WAS LEVEL AND THE BIZJET WAS CLIMBING. HE WAS JUST WATCHING THE OPERATION AND SAW 2 MI RADAR SEPARATION WITH CONVERGING COURSES. HE REPORTED THIS TO THE SUPVR AND THE SUPVR SAID HE WAS WATCHING THE OPERATION AND SAW 3 MI SEPARATION AND DIVERGING COURSES. THIS ANALYST BELIEVES THIS IS A CASE OF PROFESSIONAL DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, AND THE CTLR IS ANGRY BECAUSE AN OPERATIONAL ERROR WAS NOT FILED BY THE SUPVR. THE CTLR WORKING THE POSITION HAD BEEN CERTIFIED FOR 6 MONTHS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.