Close proximity air carrier-medium large transport spn at 5000', allegedly on arrival route.

Attributes
ACN	122655
Time
Date	198909
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : jot airport : ord
State Reference	IL
Altitude	msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : ord
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	cruise other descent other
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Sail Plane
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 5000
ASRS Report	122655
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Miss Distance	horizontal : 2250 vertical : 0
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

Controller pointed out traffic to us, which we saw, and while looking for him I noted a glider at our 11 O'clock position, approximately 1/4-1/2 mi at our altitude of 5000'. I took the aircraft and made a hard 45 degree bank to the right. I noted the glider make a hard turn to the left. We had been on a collision course. ATC couldn't paint glider on radar! Upon arrival I called ATC for near miss report. He said gliders and jump planes operate legally all the time in this area and other areas on known arrival routes. Sooner or later, if small unknown aircraft operate on arrival and departure routes, something bad could happen. I suggest you look into this.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CLOSE PROX ACR-MLG SPN AT 5000', ALLEGEDLY ON ARR ROUTE.

Narrative: CTLR POINTED OUT TFC TO US, WHICH WE SAW, AND WHILE LOOKING FOR HIM I NOTED A GLIDER AT OUR 11 O'CLOCK POS, APPROX 1/4-1/2 MI AT OUR ALT OF 5000'. I TOOK THE ACFT AND MADE A HARD 45 DEG BANK TO THE RIGHT. I NOTED THE GLIDER MAKE A HARD TURN TO THE LEFT. WE HAD BEEN ON A COLLISION COURSE. ATC COULDN'T PAINT GLIDER ON RADAR! UPON ARR I CALLED ATC FOR NEAR MISS RPT. HE SAID GLIDERS AND JUMP PLANES OPERATE LEGALLY ALL THE TIME IN THIS AREA AND OTHER AREAS ON KNOWN ARR ROUTES. SOONER OR LATER, IF SMALL UNKNOWN ACFT OPERATE ON ARR AND DEP ROUTES, SOMETHING BAD COULD HAPPEN. I SUGGEST YOU LOOK INTO THIS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.