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ZLA controller describes a situation that is ongoing where VFR aircraft worked by another facility are going through arrival aircraft flight path.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1204717 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201409 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | ZLA.ARTCC |
| State Reference | CA |
| Environment | |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Descent |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Descent |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Enroute |
| Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
| Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 11 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Airspace Violation All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
I was descending aircraft X and aircraft Y as per LOA with L30. Nellis pointed out the aircraft Z and aircraft west as VFR. I questioned whether or not their aircraft would be going through my arrivals and they questioned it with; 'don't you know where fyttr is?'. I should have referenced my two aircraft but I already know that it would be for nothing. Aircraft Z and aircraft west are in a flight status that basically ignores all commands by the controllers working at nellis. So I stopped my traffic and had to apreq to L30 my aircraft violating LOA. There have already been numerous requests and an airspace change to avoid military aircraft cutting through the arrival aircraft in this area and nothing is changing significantly for the long run.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZLA controller describes a situation that is ongoing where VFR aircraft worked by another facility are going through arrival aircraft flight path.
Narrative: I was descending Aircraft X AND Aircraft Y as per LOA with L30. Nellis pointed out the Aircraft Z and Aircraft W as VFR. I questioned whether or not their aircraft would be going through my arrivals and they questioned it with; 'Don't you know where FYTTR is?'. I should have referenced my two aircraft but I already know that it would be for nothing. Aircraft Z and Aircraft W are in a flight status that basically ignores all commands by the controllers working at Nellis. So I stopped my traffic and had to apreq to L30 my aircraft violating LOA. There have already been numerous requests and an airspace change to avoid military aircraft cutting through the arrival aircraft in this area and nothing is changing significantly for the long run.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.