<< >> NASA ASRS Report 120196, August 1989

Developmental controller at iad gave air carrier large transport clearance to 5000'. At handoff dca controller issued immediate climb to 8000'. Apparent TRACON TRACON intrafac coordination problem.

Attributes
ACN	120196
Time
Date	198908
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : aml airport : dca
State Reference	VA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 5400 msl bound upper : 8000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	descent other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 330
ASRS Report	120196
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Intra Facility Coordination Failure

Narrative:

There was a trainee approach controller at dulles approach who gave us a clearance to cross 5 NM west of armel VOR at 5000 MSL. At 8500' descending, we were handed off to washington approach. I said 'washington approach, company identification at 8,3 descending to 5000'. Approach said 'roger'. About 5 mins later, washington approach told us to climb immediately to 8000, best rate. We climbed out of 5400 MSL to 8000 MSL as quickly as possible. Corrective actions: hire the patco controllers back and stop training rookies during peak traffic periods.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: DEVELOPMENTAL CTLR AT IAD GAVE ACR LGT CLRNC TO 5000'. AT HANDOFF DCA CTLR ISSUED IMMEDIATE CLIMB TO 8000'. APPARENT TRACON TRACON INTRAFAC COORD PROBLEM.

Narrative: THERE WAS A TRAINEE APCH CTLR AT DULLES APCH WHO GAVE US A CLRNC TO CROSS 5 NM W OF ARMEL VOR AT 5000 MSL. AT 8500' DESCENDING, WE WERE HANDED OFF TO WASHINGTON APCH. I SAID 'WASHINGTON APCH, COMPANY ID AT 8,3 DESCENDING TO 5000'. APCH SAID 'ROGER'. ABOUT 5 MINS LATER, WASHINGTON APCH TOLD US TO CLIMB IMMEDIATELY TO 8000, BEST RATE. WE CLIMBED OUT OF 5400 MSL TO 8000 MSL AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. CORRECTIVE ACTIONS: HIRE THE PATCO CTLRS BACK AND STOP TRAINING ROOKIES DURING PEAK TFC PERIODS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.