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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1201481 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201409 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | ZLC.ARTCC |
| State Reference | UT |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Climb |
| Route In Use | SID WEVIC 3 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Deviation - Altitude Undershoot Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
While climbing via wevic 3 hve; [ATC stated] cleared direct etalk; delete speeds; M FL230. Mistakenly believed etalk at or below 16;000' still applied because of climb via clearance. Leveled off at 16;000' a few miles prior to etalk ; ATC then said climb unrestricted to FL230. After reviewing climb via/descend via quick reference guide; I realized the altitude restriction at etalk was deleted with 'maintain FL230' clearance. It seems that there is still mass confusion on new rules for 'climb via' clearances; and with 'descend via' clearances; as some procedures are becoming more and more complicated; especially when one or more 'except' clearances are issued. I'm sure someone thinks these new rules are an improvement; but my opinion is that there are often too many complications for too few benefits. The email type messages I have received on these new procedures have not been effective and I have received virtually no formal training.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air Carrier Captain reported misunderstanding the meaning of a revised clearance to fly direct to ETALK; delete speeds; climb and maintain FL230 after initially being cleared to climb via the WEVIC 3 HVE. The altitude at ETALK is honored and should not have been.
Narrative: While climbing via WEVIC 3 HVE; [ATC stated] CLEARED DIRECT ETALK; DELETE SPEEDS; M FL230. Mistakenly believed ETALK at or below 16;000' still applied because of climb via clearance. Leveled off at 16;000' a few miles prior to ETALK ; ATC then said climb unrestricted to FL230. After reviewing climb via/descend via quick reference guide; I realized the altitude restriction at ETALK was deleted with 'maintain FL230' clearance. It seems that there is still mass confusion on new rules for 'climb via' clearances; and with 'descend via' clearances; as some procedures are becoming more and more complicated; especially when one or more 'except' clearances are issued. I'm sure someone thinks these new rules are an improvement; but my opinion is that there are often too many complications for too few benefits. The email type messages I have received on these new procedures have not been effective and I have received virtually no formal training.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.