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|Local Time Of Day||0601 To 1200|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : lga|
airport : 6n4
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 1100|
msl bound upper : 1100
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : n90|
tower : jfk
|Operator||general aviation : corporate|
|Make Model Name||Helicopter|
|Flight Phase||cruise other|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 64|
flight time total : 8100
flight time type : 600
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : instrument|
pilot : commercial
|Anomaly||non adherence : far|
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : detected after the fact|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
After departing 6n4 we climbed to 1100' and flew southbound on the east edge of the east river. This area is designated the east river exclusion area. About 1 mi south of the queensboro bridge we contacted jfk TCA on 125.25. They advised us to contact jfk tower on 119.1. About 1/2 mi north of the williamsburg bridge we made contact. At this time tower asked us to report our altitude and told us that we were in lga's airspace and that in the future we were to contact lga TCA before entering this airspace. We told TCA that we were 1100' and that we were in the exclusion area. By this time we were at the east side of the williamsburg bridge and were clear of the exclusion and TCA when jfk cleared us into their TCA. How accurate is the radar in determining our exact position along the edge of the east river? The exclusion area is normally congested with helicopter and sea plane traffic and we need to be able to use the entire space available west/O worrying about upsetting our TCA neighbors.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CORPORATE HELICOPTER INADVERTENTLY ENTERS THE NEW YORK TCA.
Narrative: AFTER DEPARTING 6N4 WE CLBED TO 1100' AND FLEW SBND ON THE E EDGE OF THE EAST RIVER. THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED THE EAST RIVER EXCLUSION AREA. ABOUT 1 MI S OF THE QUEENSBORO BRIDGE WE CONTACTED JFK TCA ON 125.25. THEY ADVISED US TO CONTACT JFK TWR ON 119.1. ABOUT 1/2 MI N OF THE WILLIAMSBURG BRIDGE WE MADE CONTACT. AT THIS TIME TWR ASKED US TO RPT OUR ALT AND TOLD US THAT WE WERE IN LGA'S AIRSPACE AND THAT IN THE FUTURE WE WERE TO CONTACT LGA TCA BEFORE ENTERING THIS AIRSPACE. WE TOLD TCA THAT WE WERE 1100' AND THAT WE WERE IN THE EXCLUSION AREA. BY THIS TIME WE WERE AT THE E SIDE OF THE WILLIAMSBURG BRIDGE AND WERE CLR OF THE EXCLUSION AND TCA WHEN JFK CLRED US INTO THEIR TCA. HOW ACCURATE IS THE RADAR IN DETERMINING OUR EXACT POS ALONG THE EDGE OF THE EAST RIVER? THE EXCLUSION AREA IS NORMALLY CONGESTED WITH HELI AND SEA PLANE TFC AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO USE THE ENTIRE SPACE AVAILABLE W/O WORRYING ABOUT UPSETTING OUR TCA NEIGHBORS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.