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Pilot reports of confusion with pre departure clearance clearance; contacts ATC and they are not able to answer the question he asks.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1183399 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201406 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | FLL.Airport |
| State Reference | FL |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Parked |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
Text below is a copy of the pre departure clearance clearance I received for a recent flight from fll. Looking at the clearance it follows our filed route; and then on the next line it lists the zappa 2 departure; followed by a climb via SID. The normal departure for our filled route is the Thunder2. I discussed this with the first officer and we agreed it would be worth a call to clearance delivery and ask for a full route clearance. The radio clearance was to fly the Thunder2 departure. They were unable to explain why the pre departure clearance gave us the Zappa2. Maybe the FAA is not really ready for this climb via stuff if they are going to give pre departure clearance clearances like this one.flight X fll pre departure clearance aircraft X xpndr 8888 type aircraft PXX00 280 kfll THNDR2 thndr lev./. Kdfw zappa 2 departure climb via SID departure control frequency l! Ctc ramp control 129.875 for push.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Pilot reports of confusion with PDC clearance; contacts ATC and they are not able to answer the question he asks.
Narrative: Text below is a copy of the PDC clearance I received for a recent flight from FLL. Looking at the clearance it follows our filed route; and then on the next line it lists the Zappa 2 Departure; followed by a climb VIA SID. The normal departure for our filled route is the Thunder2. I discussed this with the First Officer and we agreed it would be worth a call to Clearance Delivery and ask for a full route clearance. The radio clearance was to fly the Thunder2 departure. They were unable to explain why the PDC gave us the Zappa2. Maybe the FAA is not really ready for this climb via stuff if they are going to give PDC clearances like this one.FLIGHT X FLL PDC Aircraft X XPNDR 8888 Type aircraft PXX00 280 KFLL THNDR2 THNDR LEV./. KDFW ZAPPA 2 DEPARTURE CLIMB VIA SID DEPARTURE CONTROL FREQUENCY l! CTC RAMP CTL 129.875 FOR PUSH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.