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Accepting a direct fll from his position at the time of acceptance put the flight in a position to exceed offshore limits into over-water operation. Flight crew did not realize the situation until they could outline the shoreline with their storm detection radar.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 111697 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198905 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ott |
| State Reference | MD |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 33000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 200 |
| ASRS Report | 111697 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 8800 flight time type : 2500 |
| ASRS Report | 111160 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : exited adverse environment |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Operating a scheduled flight, running 2.5 hours late from bwi to fll in the vicinity of ott, we accepted an unsolicited clearance 'present position direct fll.' we were using WX radar to avoid trw activity and were very busy and fatigued. Upon realizing that we might be close to offshore limits (far 91.189) we utilized abeam function of our FMC and radar mapping to maintain legal latitude offshore limits as our aircraft was not over-water equipped. Perhaps ATC could be given responsibility to offer advisory function regarding offshore distances as not all aircraft have the navigation functions of some of our fleet. Moreover, pilots might not be aware of the need to maintain required off shore distances.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACCEPTING A DIRECT FLL FROM HIS POSITION AT THE TIME OF ACCEPTANCE PUT THE FLT IN A POSITION TO EXCEED OFFSHORE LIMITS INTO OVER-WATER OPERATION. FLT CREW DID NOT REALIZE THE SITUATION UNTIL THEY COULD OUTLINE THE SHORELINE WITH THEIR STORM DETECTION RADAR.
Narrative: OPERATING A SCHEDULED FLT, RUNNING 2.5 HRS LATE FROM BWI TO FLL IN THE VICINITY OF OTT, WE ACCEPTED AN UNSOLICITED CLRNC 'PRESENT POS DIRECT FLL.' WE WERE USING WX RADAR TO AVOID TRW ACTIVITY AND WERE VERY BUSY AND FATIGUED. UPON REALIZING THAT WE MIGHT BE CLOSE TO OFFSHORE LIMITS (FAR 91.189) WE UTILIZED ABEAM FUNCTION OF OUR FMC AND RADAR MAPPING TO MAINTAIN LEGAL LAT OFFSHORE LIMITS AS OUR ACFT WAS NOT OVER-WATER EQUIPPED. PERHAPS ATC COULD BE GIVEN RESPONSIBILITY TO OFFER ADVISORY FUNCTION REGARDING OFFSHORE DISTANCES AS NOT ALL ACFT HAVE THE NAV FUNCTIONS OF SOME OF OUR FLEET. MOREOVER, PLTS MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF THE NEED TO MAINTAIN REQUIRED OFF SHORE DISTANCES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.