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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 108690 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198904 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : shb |
| State Reference | IN |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 23500 msl bound upper : 24100 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller non radar : 7 controller radar : 4 |
| ASRS Report | 108690 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 24600 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Air carrier Y was told to start descent 'now' for traffic at XX43Z. Air carrier X checked on frequency out of FL305 for FL240 asking 'how far from rid?' at XX46Z. Unknown to me, air carrier Y had a crossing restriction to cross 50 mi west of rid at FL240. I told air carrier Y he was 56 mi out. 30 seconds later I lost mode C readout on air carrier Y and C/a activated shortly after. At XX47 air carrier Y's mode C returned displaying FL246 descending to FL240. Adep activated at XX47:36Z. We calculated a descent rate of 6200' in 48 seconds. Air carrier Y leveled at FL241 as air carrier X left FL235 descending to FL190. 4.1 mi apart.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR Y WAS GIVEN AN EARLY DESCENT AND CONFLICTED WITH ACR X, WHO WAS ALSO DESCENDING.
Narrative: ACR Y WAS TOLD TO START DSCNT 'NOW' FOR TFC AT XX43Z. ACR X CHKED ON FREQ OUT OF FL305 FOR FL240 ASKING 'HOW FAR FROM RID?' AT XX46Z. UNKNOWN TO ME, ACR Y HAD A XING RESTRICTION TO CROSS 50 MI W OF RID AT FL240. I TOLD ACR Y HE WAS 56 MI OUT. 30 SECS LATER I LOST MODE C READOUT ON ACR Y AND C/A ACTIVATED SHORTLY AFTER. AT XX47 ACR Y'S MODE C RETURNED DISPLAYING FL246 DSNDING TO FL240. ADEP ACTIVATED AT XX47:36Z. WE CALCULATED A DSCNT RATE OF 6200' IN 48 SECS. ACR Y LEVELED AT FL241 AS ACR X LEFT FL235 DSNDING TO FL190. 4.1 MI APART.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.