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|Local Time Of Day||0601 To 1200|
|Locale Reference||airport : mia|
|Altitude||agl bound lower : 0|
agl bound upper : 0
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng|
|Flight Phase||ground : holding|
ground other : taxi
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 140|
flight time total : 14600
flight time type : 3000
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : second officer|
|Qualification||pilot : flight engineer|
|Experience||flight time total : 2200|
flight time type : 60
|Anomaly||incursion : runway|
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : anomaly accepted|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
|Airport||other physical facility|
We were taxiing on taxiway Q for takeoff on runway 9L at mia. We understood that we were to monitor tower after getting on taxiway Q. We went to frequency 123.9 and monitored. Holding short of 9L with aircraft parallel to 12, after a few moments we had not heard a radio call, so we switched to 118.3 and were informed by mia tower that we were encroaching on the runways. He stated the hold line was about 2 aircraft lengths behind us. At that time I was at least 200' from runways 9L and 12, at what looked safe, well beyond what turned out to be the old hold line. There are no signs at this runway hold area, as this hold line is very far from the runway (estimated 50'). Since this hold line is very far from the runways and the runway confign is non standard, the following should be considered: 1) hold line should be marked with lighted red signs. 2) page 10-9 in commercial chart should be noted that a non standard type hold line exist this should be noted on all runways and airports with hold lines as far away as this one. 3) tower frequency should be clearly noted as what runway it controls and if different, a positive change from ground should occur. 4) old hold lines should be positively eliminated from txwys.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF LGT ALLEGEDLY TAXIED BEYOND PROPER HOLD LINE AND TRANSGRESSED ACTIVE RWY.
Narrative: WE WERE TAXIING ON TXWY Q FOR TKOF ON RWY 9L AT MIA. WE UNDERSTOOD THAT WE WERE TO MONITOR TWR AFTER GETTING ON TXWY Q. WE WENT TO FREQ 123.9 AND MONITORED. HOLDING SHORT OF 9L WITH ACFT PARALLEL TO 12, AFTER A FEW MOMENTS WE HAD NOT HEARD A RADIO CALL, SO WE SWITCHED TO 118.3 AND WERE INFORMED BY MIA TWR THAT WE WERE ENCROACHING ON THE RWYS. HE STATED THE HOLD LINE WAS ABOUT 2 ACFT LENGTHS BEHIND US. AT THAT TIME I WAS AT LEAST 200' FROM RWYS 9L AND 12, AT WHAT LOOKED SAFE, WELL BEYOND WHAT TURNED OUT TO BE THE OLD HOLD LINE. THERE ARE NO SIGNS AT THIS RWY HOLD AREA, AS THIS HOLD LINE IS VERY FAR FROM THE RWY (ESTIMATED 50'). SINCE THIS HOLD LINE IS VERY FAR FROM THE RWYS AND THE RWY CONFIGN IS NON STANDARD, THE FOLLOWING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED: 1) HOLD LINE SHOULD BE MARKED WITH LIGHTED RED SIGNS. 2) PAGE 10-9 IN COMMERCIAL CHART SHOULD BE NOTED THAT A NON STANDARD TYPE HOLD LINE EXIST THIS SHOULD BE NOTED ON ALL RWYS AND ARPTS WITH HOLD LINES AS FAR AWAY AS THIS ONE. 3) TWR FREQ SHOULD BE CLEARLY NOTED AS WHAT RWY IT CONTROLS AND IF DIFFERENT, A POSITIVE CHANGE FROM GND SHOULD OCCUR. 4) OLD HOLD LINES SHOULD BE POSITIVELY ELIMINATED FROM TXWYS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.