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Small aircraft private aircraft vectored as much as 15-20 miles out over the ocean on approach to lgb. Reporteer questioned TRACON if this was legal inasmuch as he was not equipped for overwater flight.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 107137 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198903 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lgb |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1600 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sn |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 34 |
| ASRS Report | 107137 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I had been vectored off of V459 over long beach at the shoreline. I was advised to descend and maintain 3000' for vectors to the final approach. I was put on a heading of 150 degrees. When I was approximately 5 NM off shore I advised approach control that I was 'not equipped for over water flight.' approach control apologized, but kept me on the same heading (going out to sea). The controller explained that there was a lot of traffic. Shortly thereafter he gave me a descent to 1600' over the water and I estimate between 15-20 NM out to sea. Does ATC have the authority to mandate that I break a far and jeopardize my safety? Please look into this as it is a common occurrence while on approach into lgb.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA PRIVATE ACFT VECTORED AS MUCH AS 15-20 MILES OUT OVER THE OCEAN ON APCH TO LGB. REPORTEER QUESTIONED TRACON IF THIS WAS LEGAL INASMUCH AS HE WAS NOT EQUIPPED FOR OVERWATER FLT.
Narrative: I HAD BEEN VECTORED OFF OF V459 OVER LONG BEACH AT THE SHORELINE. I WAS ADVISED TO DSND AND MAINTAIN 3000' FOR VECTORS TO THE FINAL APCH. I WAS PUT ON A HDG OF 150 DEGS. WHEN I WAS APPROX 5 NM OFF SHORE I ADVISED APCH CTL THAT I WAS 'NOT EQUIPPED FOR OVER WATER FLT.' APCH CTL APOLOGIZED, BUT KEPT ME ON THE SAME HDG (GOING OUT TO SEA). THE CTLR EXPLAINED THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF TFC. SHORTLY THEREAFTER HE GAVE ME A DESCENT TO 1600' OVER THE WATER AND I ESTIMATE BETWEEN 15-20 NM OUT TO SEA. DOES ATC HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MANDATE THAT I BREAK A FAR AND JEOPARDIZE MY SAFETY? PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS AS IT IS A COMMON OCCURRENCE WHILE ON APCH INTO LGB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.