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Air carrier medium large transport first officer recommended aircraft be deiced before takeoff. Captain disagreed until inbound ckp questioned first officer about ice accumulation.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 107073 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198903 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 13500 flight time type : 3950 |
| ASRS Report | 107073 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
This is another case of a captain thinking she is helping the company out by cutting corners in an attempt to save time on a flight that is operating behind schedule. Our inbound flight was late on this day. When the aircraft blocked in, I was outside ready to perform the preflight walkaround. I immediately noticed that the aircraft had picked up considerable ice in flight. I informed the captain of my findings and suggested she take a look and have it de-iced before departure. She went outside, came right back into and to my amazement said: 'it looks ok to me.' fortunately for everyone, the captain on the inbound flight was a check airman and his first comment to me was, 'how does the airframe look? As we picked up a lot of ice on approach and I think you should be de-iced.' I said that I was just discussing that very matter with the captain. She (my captain) upon hearing this, said that she would do so. Had it not been for the inbound captain's instance of this fundamental procedure, I would have (again) found myself in the uncomfortable position of refusing to get on the airplane. The last time this happened, I was threatened by the chief pilot with my job.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG FO RECOMMENDED ACFT BE DEICED BEFORE TKOF. CAPT DISAGREED UNTIL INBOUND CKP QUESTIONED FO ABOUT ICE ACCUMULATION.
Narrative: THIS IS ANOTHER CASE OF A CAPT THINKING SHE IS HELPING THE COMPANY OUT BY CUTTING CORNERS IN AN ATTEMPT TO SAVE TIME ON A FLT THAT IS OPERATING BEHIND SCHEDULE. OUR INBND FLT WAS LATE ON THIS DAY. WHEN THE ACFT BLOCKED IN, I WAS OUTSIDE READY TO PERFORM THE PREFLT WALKAROUND. I IMMEDIATELY NOTICED THAT THE ACFT HAD PICKED UP CONSIDERABLE ICE IN FLT. I INFORMED THE CAPT OF MY FINDINGS AND SUGGESTED SHE TAKE A LOOK AND HAVE IT DE-ICED BEFORE DEP. SHE WENT OUTSIDE, CAME RIGHT BACK INTO AND TO MY AMAZEMENT SAID: 'IT LOOKS OK TO ME.' FORTUNATELY FOR EVERYONE, THE CAPT ON THE INBND FLT WAS A CHK AIRMAN AND HIS FIRST COMMENT TO ME WAS, 'HOW DOES THE AIRFRAME LOOK? AS WE PICKED UP A LOT OF ICE ON APCH AND I THINK YOU SHOULD BE DE-ICED.' I SAID THAT I WAS JUST DISCUSSING THAT VERY MATTER WITH THE CAPT. SHE (MY CAPT) UPON HEARING THIS, SAID THAT SHE WOULD DO SO. HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE INBND CAPT'S INSTANCE OF THIS FUNDAMENTAL PROC, I WOULD HAVE (AGAIN) FOUND MYSELF IN THE UNCOMFORTABLE POS OF REFUSING TO GET ON THE AIRPLANE. THE LAST TIME THIS HAPPENED, I WAS THREATENED BY THE CHIEF PLT WITH MY JOB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.