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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||0601 To 1200|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : miv|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 1500|
msl bound upper : 1500
|Flight Conditions||Special VFR|
|Operator||general aviation : instructional|
|Make Model Name||Small Aircraft|
|Flight Phase||cruise other|
|Function||instruction : trainee|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : instrument|
pilot : commercial
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 60|
flight time total : 425
flight time type : 425
|Function||instruction : instructor|
|Qualification||pilot : cfi|
|Experience||flight time total : 16000|
|Anomaly||non adherence : far|
non adherence : clearance
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : anomaly accepted|
|Consequence||faa : reviewed incident with flight crew|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
This training flight originated at N87. An IFR flight plan had been filed from N87 to miv. The instrument on this flight was a CFI/cfii with 16000 hours flying time but no current medical. He had been given a waiver by the FAA to instruct in all but primary student cases because technically the instrument could not act as PIC. The student (this writer) is working on a CFI. The WX was forecast IFR by millville FSS and IFR flight rules were in effect. During the flight to millville VFR WX was encountered below a scattered 1600' ceiling with visibility 8 mi or more. Upon arrival at miv, and uncontrolled airport with an FSS advisory service, a request was made by the instrument pilot for a VFR departure back to N87. FSS advised that IFR rules were in effect. The instrument requested and received a special VFR departure and was told by FSS to report when clear of the airport control zone. Approximately 5 mi to the nne of miv the instrument pilot called FSS millville and a radio conversation between the aircraft and FSS briefer took place. This writer could only hear one side of the conversation due to the aircraft noise. Neither pilots were wearing headsets. The WX was VFR during the entire flight back to N87 with ceiling 1600 scattered or better and 8 mi visibility. After arriving at N87 the FBO instructed me to contact FSS, millville and acy approach control via telephone reference failure to report clear of the control zone. This writer was the student pilot on this flight. In most every case instrument is PIC and assumes responsibility for the aircraft operation, but because of this legal loophole this student was PIC. The instrument was operating the radios and committed the error and the student bears the responsibility. The instrument maintains he cleared the control zone with the FSS facility during a PIREP he had given following the departure from miv.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GA SMA ON TRAINING FLT FAILED TO REPORT CLEAR OF CTL ZONE AS REQUESTED BY FSS AT ARPT OF DEP.
Narrative: THIS TRNING FLT ORIGINATED AT N87. AN IFR FLT PLAN HAD BEEN FILED FROM N87 TO MIV. THE INSTR ON THIS FLT WAS A CFI/CFII WITH 16000 HRS FLYING TIME BUT NO CURRENT MEDICAL. HE HAD BEEN GIVEN A WAIVER BY THE FAA TO INSTRUCT IN ALL BUT PRIMARY STUDENT CASES BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THE INSTR COULD NOT ACT AS PIC. THE STUDENT (THIS WRITER) IS WORKING ON A CFI. THE WX WAS FORECAST IFR BY MILLVILLE FSS AND IFR FLT RULES WERE IN EFFECT. DURING THE FLT TO MILLVILLE VFR WX WAS ENCOUNTERED BELOW A SCATTERED 1600' CEILING WITH VISIBILITY 8 MI OR MORE. UPON ARR AT MIV, AND UNCONTROLLED ARPT WITH AN FSS ADVISORY SVC, A REQUEST WAS MADE BY THE INSTR PLT FOR A VFR DEP BACK TO N87. FSS ADVISED THAT IFR RULES WERE IN EFFECT. THE INSTR REQUESTED AND RECEIVED A SPECIAL VFR DEP AND WAS TOLD BY FSS TO RPT WHEN CLR OF THE ARPT CTL ZONE. APPROX 5 MI TO THE NNE OF MIV THE INSTR PLT CALLED FSS MILLVILLE AND A RADIO CONVERSATION BTWN THE ACFT AND FSS BRIEFER TOOK PLACE. THIS WRITER COULD ONLY HEAR ONE SIDE OF THE CONVERSATION DUE TO THE ACFT NOISE. NEITHER PLTS WERE WEARING HEADSETS. THE WX WAS VFR DURING THE ENTIRE FLT BACK TO N87 WITH CEILING 1600 SCATTERED OR BETTER AND 8 MI VISIBILITY. AFTER ARRIVING AT N87 THE FBO INSTRUCTED ME TO CONTACT FSS, MILLVILLE AND ACY APCH CTL VIA TELEPHONE REF FAILURE TO RPT CLR OF THE CTL ZONE. THIS WRITER WAS THE STUDENT PLT ON THIS FLT. IN MOST EVERY CASE INSTR IS PIC AND ASSUMES RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ACFT OPERATION, BUT BECAUSE OF THIS LEGAL LOOPHOLE THIS STUDENT WAS PIC. THE INSTR WAS OPERATING THE RADIOS AND COMMITTED THE ERROR AND THE STUDENT BEARS THE RESPONSIBILITY. THE INSTR MAINTAINS HE CLRED THE CTL ZONE WITH THE FSS FAC DURING A PIREP HE HAD GIVEN FOLLOWING THE DEP FROM MIV.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.